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Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« on: September 27, 2006, 11:23:12 am »
Hi,

the Tupolev Tu-129 was front bomber,Tu-200 strategic bomber,Tu-225 strategic bomber,
Tu-325 supersonic bomber and Tu-1020 supersonic ailiner.
 
                                    have anyone drawings to them ?!
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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2006, 12:36:03 pm »
Can be found in Tony Buttler's "Soviet Secret Bombers", with the exception of
the Tu 1020.
But I've found a faked photo of the Tu 200, made in the pre-photo shop era
(Aviation Week .2.54). Quite good work for this time, I think ...

 
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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2006, 11:56:46 am »
Dear Jemiba,

the Tupolev Tu-200 was a supersonic strategic bomber as I read in the Internet,
but for Tu-1020 ,it was also from Internet,but I don't remember the name of
the site.

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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2006, 12:08:33 pm »
"Tu-200" was a made up Western designation. The actual Tupolev heavy bomber projects were 485, 471, 473, 474 with 6 to 8 engines.

129 was a late 50s light bomber (between Su-7 and Tu-98 in size) resembling the Thunderchief.
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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2006, 10:40:11 pm »
I will dig on weekend my archive, seems I have pretty much of 3-views of these Tupolev's Big Sticks projects.
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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2006, 12:56:35 pm »
Thanks overscan,

but in russian book about bombers there are many projects,such as;Tu-127 front bomber,
Tu-124 extra low altitude bomber,Tu-134 low altitude bomber and Yak-35 MV bomber.


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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2006, 05:00:18 pm »
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the Tupolev Tu-200 was a supersonic strategic bomber as I read in the Internet

Dear Hesham...I think some of your internet sources are not always consistent. You'll find the 200 3-view on page 14 Soviet Secret Projects (Tony Buttler). There not many pics of Tupolev 485-487-489 series but you can find all on Air Fleet magazine ( I can find the reference if you need it).
Also in the bastion encyclopedia can be found 3 views from Tu-200 (2 different models), 485 and 489.

http://www.aviapress.com/viewonekit.htm?BST-010




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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2006, 05:28:20 pm »
Besides which, I highly suggest getting hold of Soviet Secret Projects: Jet Bombers. It has all the information you need.
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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2006, 12:24:13 pm »
My dear Overscan,

yes those books have a great projects of bombers,such as Tu-108 intercontinental
bomber based on Tu-22 and Tu-109 intercontinental supersonic bomber,
but there is also a little known projects:Mig-10 transport aircraft,Mig-121
19-passenger transport aircraft,Mig-210 supersonic airliner and Mig-2000
canard delta wing advance fighter of 1980s.
and anther aircraft I cann't identify them; the Ilyushin IL-74 and IL-300.
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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2006, 11:03:20 am »
"Tu-200" was a made up Western designation. The actual Tupolev heavy bomber projects were 485, 471, 473, 474 with 6 to 8 engines.

To add is a project with non-confirmed designation '489' (i.e. it was but Rigmant could not dig it). Two versions of Tu-200 legend inspiration exist, one is leak of 485/487/489 projects info to the West (meanwhile, very limited circles had access to those studies), second is planned leak to let US think that Soviet Union's  big sticks are here to come to cool some heads in Washington. Here is 485 and 489 illustrations, plus two fantasy pics from western sources.
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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2007, 12:57:25 pm »
Hesham, do you have some additional info about Tu-100? It sounds interesting.

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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2007, 02:38:19 pm »
I have info from Airfleet magazine. I'm going to search for it tomorrow

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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2007, 11:49:28 am »
Dear Pometablava,

Please tell us the informations about Tu-100.

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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2007, 01:37:24 pm »
108 and its 100 parasite (both are just one of myriad iterations studied)
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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2007, 03:51:07 pm »
I'm sorry for my delay but I spent the weekend out :)

Here's the info:

Sources:

1.Airfleet magazine, article from Vladimir Rigmant (can't identify the issue, the tittle is: Predecesors of the famous Blackjack).
2.Soviet Secret Projects Bombers since 1945. Buttler/Gordon

As flateric told, there are many configurations for parasite aircraft 100 but also for its carrier aicraft 108 and 109.
On 30th July 1954, the Tupolev design bureau was authorised to develop and build a strategic supersonic combined strike aircraft system. The same directive stipulated that Myasishchev to design a similar system (it seems that they research toke them to the M-50 and M-52 bombers). Official designation was "Combined Long-Range Bomber". It was to comprise the 108 carrier  powered by 6 VD-5M and 100 bomber with 2 AM-11M. Expected range for the "combined" was 14000 Km. After release (well outside enemy defences) and attack, both aircraft could return to base.
Several versions for 108 aircraft were considered including one deltawinged with 4 P-8 turboprop engines and one with ramjets.
A bomber version of 108 was also considered (Initial deliveries were considered possible by 1957) while an alternative carriers for the 100 could have been the Tu-95 or Tu-96.

The 108 version powered with 4 NK-6 was choosen to go ahead in March 1956 with testing phase rescheduled for 1959. The final configuration was to be developed by Valentin Bliznyuk. Aircraft 100 manned and unmanned versions would be considered and its deffinitive powerplant was to the D-20 turbofan

The project was cancelled in 1958 with the advent of the ICBM era.

Tupolev 100 tech data

Span: 12,5 m
Lenght: 23,7 m
Max weight: 31 000 Kg
Max speed: 1500 Km/h
Bomb load: 1250 Kg

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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2007, 07:50:54 am »



Thanks to you my dears.

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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2007, 10:39:30 am »
Hi,

In the Jets magazine they said that the Tupolev Tu-18 was developed
from Tu-72,can anyone confirm this Info ?.

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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2007, 07:26:28 am »
Hi,

In the Jets magazine they said that the Tupolev Tu-18 was developed
from Tu-72,can anyone confirm this Info ?.

According to "OKB Tupolev" by Gordon and Rigmant, Aircraft 72 and the Tu-18 are the same aircraft. "Tu-18 2 Nene-1" was the official designation of the 72 project, which was a jet version of Tupolev's Aircraft 69 (Tu-8). The 72/Tu-18 was abandoned at the design stage in favour of Aircraft 73, which ultimately became the Tu-14.

I can't scan just now but, if you're interested, an old Russian 3-view and cutaway profile of the 72 is included at page 133 of Bill Gunston's Putnam book, "Tupolev Aircraft since 1922".

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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2007, 11:21:55 am »


  Thanks.

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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2007, 04:02:43 am »
Hi,

Also I read that the Tupolev Tu-76 = Tu-32,that means there was a Tu-30
design,does anyone know it ?.

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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2007, 08:17:34 am »
Hi,

Also I read that the Tupolev Tu-76 = Tu-32,that means there was a Tu-30
design,does anyone know it ?.

According to Gordon & Rigmant in "OKB Tupolev", the official designation "Tu-30 4 Nene-1" was applied to Tupolev's 1947 project 77. This was to have been a high altitude, high speed bomber and reconnaissance aircraft. It was to have been powered by four RR Nene engines and resembled a long span Tu-14 with engines mounted in a similar style to the American B-45 Tornado. The project never proceeded beyond the proposal stage.

However, a note of caution - Bill Gunston's Putnam book on Tupolev Aircraft (and every other source that I can find) allocates the project number 77 to the Tu-12 jet development of the Tu-2 and doesn't mention the four Nene project or the Tu-30 at all.

I have not come across any drawings of the supposed Tu-30, but there is a photograph of a wooden model on page 130 of "OKB Tupolev" which I don't think that I can scan in as it's from a currently available book.

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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2007, 09:09:22 am »
Hmmm- I should point out that Mr Rigmant is the Tupolev archivist with complete access to OKB files, while Bill Gunston isn't. So in case of a dispute I'd go with Gordon & Rigmant.
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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2007, 09:44:48 am »
Thank you my friends,

And in Arabic magazine,they said that the Tu-160 was also
named Tu-32,I am not sure and may be they are wrong.
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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2007, 10:07:15 am »
Hmmm- I should point out that Mr Rigmant is the Tupolev archivist with complete access to OKB files, while Bill Gunston isn't. So in case of a dispute I'd go with Gordon & Rigmant.

Thanks - I should have know that, as Bill Gunston specifically refers to Vladimir Rigmant as the "former OKB archivist" in his introduction and thanks him for making available a "wealth of original material".

And I've just looked at the "OKB Tupolev" book again and I see that the photo of the 77/Tu-30 model is credited to "Tupolev PLC", so I think that I'd agree that Gordon & Rigmant are probably correct in their attribution of designations and their information on the Tu-30.

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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2007, 10:45:34 am »
Hi,

The Tupolev and its industrial partners have launched
Project 3000 aimed at boosting dispatch reliability and
utilisation rates for Tu-204,Tu-214,Tu-334 operators.

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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2007, 09:22:41 am »
Tu-80

Considered as deep modernization of Tu-4 (only one plane was built).

Year:             1948
Engine:          ASh-73 TKFN
Span:            43.58 m
Lenght:         34.32 m
Height:          8.91 m
Max speed:   598 km/h
Cruise:          458 km/h
Range:          7000-8000 km (calculated)
MTOW:         65400 kg
Armament:   10x23 mm
Bombs:         3000 (max 9000)
Crew: 11

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« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2007, 09:26:41 am »
Tu-85

Developed Tu-80, appreciably bigger by size/weight/power. The last Russian big bomber with piston engine & straight (rectengular tapered) wings. Stated as "improved to possible excellence".

Year:            1950-1953
Engine:         ASh-2K  (VD-4k, TVD-022b)
Span:           55.939 m
Lenght:        39.31 m
Height:        10.58 m
Max speed:  585 km/h
Cruise:         460 km/h
Range:         12000 km
MTOW:        107225
Armament:   5x2x23 mm
Bombs:        2x FAB 9000 kg
Crew:          11
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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2007, 09:32:36 am »
Tu-504 - specially for Farloccus (I apologize for long delay) :)

Based on "85", developed strategic heavy bomber. As hydro-airplane, it was planned to be refueled from submarine, in order to reach USA coast and get back.

Year:           1950-1953
Engine:         ASh-2K (TVD-1)
Span:           56 m
Lenght:        44 m
Height:        12 m
Max speed:  580 km/h
Cruise            -
Range:         10000 km
MTOW:        104000 kg
Armament:  3x2x23 mm
Bombs:       1x 6000 kg
Crew:          12

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Sources for "80", "85", "504":

V. Rigmant, "Last Prop Bombers"
B. Gunston "Russian Aircraft 1875-1995
"Nevski Bastion" bulletin,  Vol.5
G. Petrov "Hydro-airplanes & Ekranoplanes of Russia, 1910-1994"

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« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2007, 09:59:09 am »

What a surprise!

Many many thanks, Borovik!  ;D

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« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2007, 02:57:35 pm »
WOW! That flying boat is a new one to me! I have always been impressed by the evolutionary development that Tupolev did from the Tu-4 to the Tu-95.

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« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2007, 05:23:46 pm »

      I'm thinking I've seen that boat as 485 as well. I'll have to try to look.


WOW! That flying boat is a new one to me! I have always been impressed by the evolutionary development that Tupolev did from the Tu-4 to the Tu-95.

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« Reply #31 on: June 22, 2007, 12:35:15 pm »

      I'm thinking I've seen that boat as 485 as well. I'll have to try to look.


This is the 485, which I have. They worked since Summer of 1948, then stopped it and began the 489 development. There were turboprop/jet versions, 4 or 6 engines,  I have more specifications and will post them or send, if needed.
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« Reply #32 on: June 22, 2007, 12:57:57 pm »
The Tu-504 flying boat bomber is principally very similar to the Myasischtschew 3M-M,
the fkying boat derivative of the Bison. And for both I think, they would have had no
chance to be competitive as a combat aircraft !
 
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« Reply #33 on: June 24, 2007, 12:06:51 pm »
Dear Jemiba, with all my poor aerospace education I hardly can say that -504 and 3M-M has many common in their design.
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« Reply #34 on: June 24, 2007, 01:19:40 pm »
"I hardly can say that -504 and 3M-M has many common in their design."

You're right of course, they have different powerplants and apart from several bolts
and nuts you probabably wouldn't have found identical components, but ...
both were derivatives from landbased aircraft, designed in the same way, by deepening
the fuselage in quite an extreme way, as both basic aircraft had very slim fuselages,
and fitting them with a convenional flying boat planing bottom. There were few landbased
variants of flyingboats planned (e.g. of the Saro Princess), but for the other way round,
there are even fewer examples, The only other I can remember, was the Convair design
for a flying boat derivative of the Comet .But that was an aerodynamically surprisingly
clean design, something I really cannot say of the Tu-504 and the 3M-M.
But ok, to compare a heavy prop bomber and a jet bomber may have meant over stretching
ones phantasy, although both were designed as combat aircraft, with the same simple and
probably unrealistic idea in mind.
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« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2007, 02:59:44 pm »
Hi,

In the Jets magazine they said that the Tupolev Tu-18 was developed
from Tu-72,can anyone confirm this Info ?.
 
   Dear Hesham. You should compare yourself .(I apologize for long delay)

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« Reply #36 on: June 25, 2007, 03:11:36 pm »
Hi,

Also I read that the Tupolev Tu-76 = Tu-32,that means there was a Tu-30
design,does anyone know it ?.
Source: Vl.Rigmant "Under sign ANT & Tu" (Авиация и космонавтика)magazine №8.98 /p.48/
           : Bastion Vol.2
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« Reply #37 on: June 25, 2007, 04:32:43 pm »
The Tu-72 looks like it was heavely influenced by the B-25 Mitchell.In some views,it looks just like a jet powered B-25.Russia did by large numbers of them,so modification of the basic design would have been a good way to get a new aircraft and possibly improve on the design itself.They did the same with the B-29 in the form of the basic Tu-4 Bull ,which was identical, then the modified and improved Tu-85 Barge,and ultimently the Tu-95 Bear.

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« Reply #38 on: September 28, 2007, 02:20:11 am »
The Tu-30 (4 x Nene turbojet engine) design looks very much like the American North American B-45 Tornado

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« Reply #39 on: December 11, 2008, 06:26:29 am »

Looks like that "sonic-boom-as-an-anti-infantry-weapon" concept that popped up some time back.

been looking for this one for a while, can't seem to find it again though.

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« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2013, 04:00:07 pm »
Hi,


here is some Tupolev bomber aircraft and projects, Tu-73,Tu-83,Aircraft 486,Aircraft 491
and Aircraft 509.


http://crimso.msk.ru/Site/Crafts/Craft27588.htm
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« Reply #43 on: May 15, 2013, 08:05:12 am »
From Aerokosmicheskoye Obozreniye N°2, 2008:
  • Aircraft "83" inboard profile.
Aircraft "83" differed from Aircraft "82" by having an increased fuselage length (19.9 m). The crew now included a gunner/radio operator, who was located behind the pilot. Radio-controlled PSBN bombs could now be replaced by REM-S precision targeting hardware. The AFA-BA/40 camera was replaced by an AFA-33/75. The shape and size of the canopy pilot were changed, and so was the breakdown of the fuselage fuel tanks. Construction of Aircraft "83" started at Factory #156, but in 1949 all work stopped. Work on Aircraft "82" (the first practical step towards the creation of the Tu-16) and Aircraft "83" ended in 1950 when the "82" prototype aircraft was mothballed and the Soviet Air Force launched the production of the Il-28 straight-wing front-line bomber.
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« Reply #44 on: May 15, 2013, 08:15:22 am »
From Aerokosmicheskoye Obozreniye N°2, 2008:
  • Aircraft "486" inboard profile
  • Aircraft "486" model
The basis of the wing arrangement on Aircraft "486" that of Aircraft "82", but with its length increased by 8.15 m. Vertical tail was prolonged by a dorsal fin. The size of the empennage was increased in accordance with the increase in the wing area and extension and the stability requirements for swept wings.

The fuselage was borrowed from the Aircraft "73", but was subjected to alteration of the nose landing gear compartment due to the increased height of the rack and the shift from single to twin wheels. The use of the swept wing also required to move the upper turret 6 m forward, ahead of the pressurized cabin.  fuel A tank with capacity for 2350 kg of fuel was located high above the bomb bay.

Another fuselage tank with capacity for 2310 kg of fuel, was also placed to the rear, which forced to shift the rear fuselage pressurized cockpit by about 1 m. Due to the increased weight of the aircraft (up to 32 tons) the landing gear was strengthened by using new wheels.

Work on the Aircraft "486" ended at the initial design stage, serving as a basis for the design of the Aircraft "86" bomber in January 1949.
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« Reply #45 on: May 15, 2013, 08:55:54 am »
From Aerokosmicheskoye Obozreniye N°2, 2008:

Work on Aircraft "486" ended in the initial design stages, serving as a basis for the design of the Aircraft "86" long-range bomber in January 1949. Initially, Aircraft "86" was a modification of the Tu-14, designed by OKB-300. It was to be powered by two AM-02 turbojet engines with a thrust of 4780 kgs, or with two TR-3 turbojet engines with a thrust of 4500 kgs. After wind tunnel testing of the project at TsAGI, the aircraft was completely redesigned, and in March 1949 a completely new aircraft with swept wings was designed, based on the Aircraft "486" configuration. The original version of the machine had the following data:

Wing span, m. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 25.7
Length, m. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 24.1
Height, m. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7.6
Swept wing degrees. . . . . . . 36.0
Flight weight overload, ie. . . . . . . 42.0
Empty weight, t. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 21.7
Full speed at 6000 m, km / h . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .980
Time to climb to 5000 m min. . . . . . . 4.8
Service ceiling, m. . . . . . . . . . . 13.400
Range with 2,000 kg of bombs, km. . . .4000
Takeoff, m. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .1060
Crew. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .6

Airplane "86" differentiated itself from Aircraft "486" by the size of its bomb bay, calculated with a normal 2-ton bomb load of and a maximum 6-ton load; greater fuel capacity, increased from 5,2 to 17,2 cubic meters; and a larger fuselage diameter. The crew was increased to six people. The forward pressurized cabin was completely rearranged, and lost the fighter pilot-type stepped cockpit. The radio operator was moved into a separate, enclosed compartment. The front landing gear extended, while the main gear was fitted with dual wheels. Brake pads were installed in the aft fuselage. Gunnery armament supplemented the NP-23 forward cannon. A PSBN radar was fitted in the forward part of the fuselage.

During the development of Aircraft "86", the design bureau conducted research on the wing area, wing aspect ratio and flight characteristics of swept-wing aircraft. Their aim was to determine the optimal size of a wing with a sweep of 36° for a jet bomber with a takeoff weight of about 40,000 pounds and two AM-02 engines. The basis for study was a plane with a wing area of ​​80 sq.m. and an 8.06 stretch; 6,700 kg of fuel in the wings, 10,700 kg in the fuselage; and an empty weight of 19,000 kg. As a result, the optimal parameters were determined to be a wing area of 80-90 sq.m. with an 8-10 extension.

To increase the flight distance, an elongation of 10 and a wing area of 100-110 sq.m. were required. The original Aircraft "86" study  continued to evolve, increasing the length of the fuselage, wing span, overall size and fuel capacity. The forward fuselage become more pointed, and the fuselage was rearranged to accommodate extra fuel tanks. The nose landing gear was equipped with dual wheels. Front cannon installation once again included an NP-23 gun. The PSBN radar was replaced by the PSBN-M. The calculated data of the second draft of Aircraft "86" was as follows:

Wing span, m. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 27.5
Length, m. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 27.5
Height, m. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8.3
Flight weight overload, ie. . . . . . . 42.0
Empty weight, t. . . . . . . . . . . . . 21.7
Full speed at 6000 m, km / h . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .980
Service ceiling, m. . . . . . . . . . . 13.400
Time lift to a height of 5,000 m, min. . . . 4.8
Range with 2,000 kg of bombs, km. . . .4750
Takeoff, m. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .1060
Crew. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .6
Bomb load, kg. . . . . . . . . . . 2000-6000
The defensive armament. . 7 guns, HP-23

Based on Aircraft "86", a reconnaissance aircraft and torpedo bomber were drafted. The former had an increased fuel capacity and photographic reconnaissance capability, while the latter featured an extended bomb bay.

Research on Aircraft "86" showed that a full-fledged long-range bomber was possible only by increasing the weight and dimensions of the machine and its engine thrust by 1.5-2 times. Work on the program stopped at the stage of active design, but design solutions (in particular, the overall layout of the fuselage) were used in the project of the Tu-16, the creation of which was performed by the same design bureau.

In the absence of AM-02 engines, the bureau prepared a variant of Aircraft "86" using the more real TR-3 engines, designed by OKB-165. The project received the designation Aircraft "87" but did not differ from the original otherwise. Preliminary design was issued on July 18, 1949, but further development work was not granted.

The layout of Aircraft "86" and Aircraft "87" was studied in the preliminary design department, headed by S. M. Egerom. Despite the fact that both projects were not implemented, the layout solutions — especially for the fuselage, crew placement, weapons and equipment — were implemented with little or no changes in the "88" project and the preceding "494" project, proposed by B.M. Kondorsky's team.
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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #46 on: May 15, 2013, 08:57:43 am »
From Aerokosmicheskoye Obozreniye N°2, 2008:
  • Aircraft "491" inboard profile.
In April 1949, with an eye to the future, Kondorsky's crew drafted Aircraft "491", a modification of Aircraft "86" with increased flight speed. However, by keeping an angle of 35° for the swept wing, neither the AM-02's or the TR-3's margin thrust could be fully implemented, and so the machine was given a wing sweep of 45°. The rest of the proposal was based on the first version of Aircraft "86".

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« Reply #47 on: June 29, 2013, 05:11:56 am »
"Tu-200" was a made up Western designation. The actual Tupolev heavy bomber projects were 485, 471, 473, 474 with 6 to 8 engines.

To add is a project with non-confirmed designation '489' (i.e. it was but Rigmant could not dig it). Two versions of Tu-200 legend inspiration exist, one is leak of 485/487/489 projects info to the West (meanwhile, very limited circles had access to those studies), second is planned leak to let US think that Soviet Union's  big sticks are here to come to cool some heads in Washington. Here is 485 and 489 illustrations, plus two fantasy pics from western sources.


Anther drawings of "Tupolev Tu-200"
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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #49 on: June 29, 2013, 09:06:16 am »
Hi,


I think,this Tupolev Tu-1125 design is a misprint in that site,and they mean Tu-115,am I right ?;


http://www.tupolev.ru/english/Show.asp?SectionID=131
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« Reply #50 on: June 30, 2013, 05:16:45 am »
Hi,


here is anther drawing to Tupolev Project 504.

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« Reply #51 on: June 30, 2013, 09:22:48 am »
OK my dear Jemiba,


here is the book; Черемухин Г.А. - Дальше. Выше. Быстрее воспоминания о работе в авиапромышленности%2C о технике и ее создателях


and some pages about the Tu-85 and the Project 504.

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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #52 on: July 18, 2013, 01:25:31 pm »
Nevertheless,


Of construction of the "G-300" air defense on the basis of the Tu-4 had been authorized by the Government of the Soviet Union 23 September 1950
From May to June 1952 on G-310 (Tu-4) completed 10 flights, including those with models of rockets "210" and "211".


Government Decision of 20.11.1953, the № 2837-1200 all work on missiles "211" were stopped.


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http://topwar.ru/13398-aviacionnyy-komponent-pervogo-otechestvennogo-zrk-raketa-dalnego-deystviya-vozduh-vozduh-g-300.html
http://www.testpilot.ru/russia/lavochkin/la/210/g300.htm
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« Reply #54 on: July 18, 2013, 04:05:31 pm »
Never mind my dear Flateric,


and thank you my dear Borovik,and that means it was a real design,can I display
it again.

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« Reply #55 on: July 18, 2013, 04:27:04 pm »
My apologies too on this one. The term "Design..." in the signature and the crude quality of the additions in the artwork both made me think it was a fake.

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« Reply #56 on: November 30, 2013, 03:03:17 pm »
Hi,


here is a wooden model to Tupolev Aircraft 485 bomber project.


http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/index-970.html

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« Reply #57 on: December 01, 2013, 03:31:28 am »
It is the airplane which was seen by something before,too. ;D

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« Reply #58 on: December 01, 2013, 04:22:47 am »
Judging from the translation of that site, this photo stems directly from Tupolev. So the aircraft
i the background should be a Tupolev, too. Could be a Tu-95 variant, I think, with the refuelling ,
probe and under nose radom, but something loks wrong to me. 
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« Reply #59 on: December 01, 2013, 04:36:01 am »
My dear Jemiba,


it is Tupolev Tu-204P as a project for anti-submarine patrol aircraft.


http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/index-35.html

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« Reply #60 on: December 01, 2013, 06:19:24 am »
Ah, shame on me ! And we even had it here already : http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,807.msg200025.html#msg200025
But I insist, that there's a similarity in the kind of the radar installation to the Bear D with its
Big Bulge radar. A one-piece radom may be more efficient aerodynamically, I think.
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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #61 on: January 02, 2015, 08:02:16 am »
From Kryl'ya Rodine 7/2002,


here is the Tupolev Aircraft-145,Tu-106 and Tu-106K bombers project,which
led to Tu-22M.

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« Reply #62 on: January 08, 2015, 01:27:31 pm »
From Kryl'ya Rodine 8/2002,


here is a Tu-124 low-altitude bomber project.

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« Reply #63 on: January 08, 2015, 01:51:44 pm »
Valiantski!
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« Reply #64 on: January 08, 2015, 01:56:30 pm »
Valiantski!


My dear Paul,


do you mean,it looks like Vickers Valiant bomber

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« Reply #65 on: January 08, 2015, 02:20:46 pm »
Yes, that's what Paul means...

And please, hesham, don't forget that Tupolev only used the Tu- prefix for aircraft that were built. Project were just given a number ("Aircraft 124" for instance here).

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« Reply #66 on: April 30, 2015, 08:37:10 am »
Hi,


here is the Tupolev Aircraft 106 and 106A.

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« Reply #67 on: June 22, 2015, 04:15:49 pm »
From Kryl'ya Rodine 3/2013,


here is a Model for Tupolev Aircraft 108.

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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #68 on: June 22, 2015, 04:28:10 pm »
G'day Hesham
In your early post (as I don't read Russian) is that a model of a proposed carrier-based Ilyushin Il-28 'Beagle'? What with its folding wings!  ??? :o

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« Reply #69 on: June 22, 2015, 04:33:23 pm »
My dear Pioneer,


that's the Tupolev Aircraft-108,no Ilyshin Il-28,or you meant anther reply ?.

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« Reply #70 on: June 23, 2015, 12:01:36 am »
G'day Hesham
In your early post (as I don't read Russian) is that a model of a proposed carrier-based Ilyushin Il-28 'Beagle'? What with its folding wings!  ??? :o

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It would be rather helpful if you quoted the relevant post, but its pretty unlikely that Tupolev did any Il-28 projects.
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« Reply #71 on: June 23, 2015, 01:09:18 am »
@Pioneer:
Hesham's reply #50 shows a model of Project 509, a Tupolev Tu-14 with folding wings.
Project 509 was one of two proposed torpedo bombers for aircraft carriers to be built sometime in the fifties, but cancelled after Stalin's death. The other design became the Tu-91, one prototype built only.
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« Reply #72 on: June 23, 2015, 03:34:57 am »
G'day Hesham
In your early post (as I don't read Russian) is that a model of a proposed carrier-based Ilyushin Il-28 'Beagle'? What with its folding wings!  ??? :o

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It would be rather helpful if you quoted the relevant post, but its pretty unlikely that Tupolev did any Il-28 projects.

Sorry my friend, I should have been more specific  :-[
Arjen is correct [I meant the pic in your Reply #50! The ????? ‘509’]. But Arjen I think has answered the question re the
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Project 509, a Tupolev Tu-14 with folding wings
Was the Project 509 intended for carrier deployment? Hence the folding wings?

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« Reply #73 on: June 23, 2015, 03:54:15 am »
To your question: yes, it was intended for shipboard use.
[...]
Project 509 was one of two proposed torpedo bombers for aircraft carriers to be built sometime in the fifties, but cancelled after Stalin's death.
[...]
Both Tu-14 and Tu-91 did without without wing-folding eventually; Tu-14 because Project 509 was a variation on the fixed-wing original - Tu-91 because the prototype was finished as a land-based aircraft after the cancellation of the carriers.

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« Reply #74 on: June 23, 2015, 08:05:58 am »
OK my dear Pioneer,


it's Tupolev Aircraft 509,and my dear Arjen did the job.

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« Reply #75 on: July 13, 2015, 11:19:06 pm »
Re: Hesham's post #65, this graphic shows where the Tupolev Project (Article) 106 fitted in to the Tu-22M chain of development.
 
It also shows the part played by the Project 105A and 145.
 
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 A & K magazine 5-6 1994
 
 

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« Reply #76 on: July 14, 2015, 04:41:55 am »
Nice find my dear Cy-27.

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« Reply #77 on: October 19, 2015, 09:27:17 am »
Hi,


the Tupolev had a project of front-line bomber with a canard or duck shape in 1950s,called FB,does
anyone hear about it before ?.

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« Reply #78 on: October 20, 2015, 04:37:07 am »

the Tupolev had a project of front-line bomber with a canard or duck shape in 1950s,called FB,does
anyone hear about it before ?.


I get it.

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« Reply #79 on: October 20, 2015, 08:39:20 am »
Hi,


also Tupolev had a project called Type D,it was a supersonic carrier based aircraft of 1950s,featured
by a canard or duck shape,does anyone hear about it before ?.
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« Reply #80 on: October 20, 2015, 10:54:30 am »
also Tupolev had a project called Type D,it was a supersonic carrier based aircraft of 1950s,featured
by a canard or duck shape,does anyone hear about it before ?.

The only "Type D" that I know of is the Tu-123 Yastreb unmanned vehicle.

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« Reply #81 on: October 20, 2015, 02:40:49 pm »

The only "Type D" that I know of is the Tu-123 Yastreb unmanned vehicle.


It was not it Skyblazer,it's was a manned project as I know.

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« Reply #82 on: October 30, 2015, 08:53:01 am »
Hi,

does anyone hear about Tupolev Aircraft-156,as a supersonic duck or canard shape Project ?,
I think it was a bomber,and powered by four RD-36 engines.
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« Reply #83 on: October 31, 2015, 05:13:40 am »
The project is an experimental rocket plane "139" is ready to perform one of the stages of creating a rocket plane program "Star".

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« Reply #84 on: October 31, 2015, 05:20:57 am »
The project is an experimental rocket plane "139" is ready to perform one of the stages of creating a rocket plane program "Star".

Thank you my dear Borovik,

and sorry,that's my fault,I meant Tupolev Aircraft-156 as a duck or canard shape project,maybe
a bomber,and powered by four RD-36-51 engines ?.

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« Reply #85 on: October 31, 2015, 05:41:03 am »
I meant Tupolev Aircraft-156 as a duck or canard shape project,maybe a bomber,and powered by four RD-36-51 engines ?.

Only Tu-156 I know about is this 4-jet AWACS.

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« Reply #86 on: October 31, 2015, 05:55:09 am »
Hi Skyblazer,

the Tupolev 156 was allocated to four aircraft,the first as you mentioned,the second as
I displayed,the third was developed from Tu-154 with hydrogen fuel,the fourth was also
developed from Tu-154 with hydrogen fuel,but powered by only two engines as a project
and not three engines,that's in my files.

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« Reply #87 on: October 31, 2015, 06:07:54 am »
the Tupolev 156 was allocated to four aircraft,the first as you mentioned,the second as
I displayed,the third was developed from Tu-154 with hydrogen fuel,the fourth was also
developed from Tu-154 with hydrogen fuel,but powered by only two engines as a project
and not three engines,that's in my files.

I remember about the hydrogen ones now. The second one, however, doesn't ring a bell.

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« Reply #88 on: November 01, 2015, 05:08:23 am »

and sorry,that's my fault,I meant Tupolev Aircraft-156 as a duck or canard shape project,maybe
a bomber,and powered by four RD-36-51 engines ?.

Also in my files,

Tupolev also developed this aircraft-156 project to be powered by four turbofan engines,maybe
also a bomber,but I suggest it was not supersonic.

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« Reply #89 on: November 08, 2015, 07:48:25 am »
Hi,

that's the first time in my life to see Tupolev Aircraft-495 Model.

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« Reply #90 on: November 08, 2015, 07:58:57 am »
that's the first time in my life to see Tupolev Aircraft-495 Model.

I'm surprised. I thought we'd had it here already.

Here are two more pictures, one of 494-88 and one of 495-88:

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« Reply #91 on: November 21, 2015, 05:20:56 am »
Also from my files,

the Tupolev Tu-73 was re-allocated to twin engined long range bomber of 1948,
powered by two Mikulin AMTKRD-01 jet engines,not related to the early aircraft.

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« Reply #92 on: November 22, 2015, 07:44:01 am »
In my files,

the Tupolev Tu-85 had a project version,powered by four VD-4 turboprops plus two VK-1
turbojets.

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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #93 on: November 22, 2015, 11:28:23 pm »

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« Reply #94 on: November 23, 2015, 05:03:20 am »
Thank you my dear Borovik,

and also in my file,the Tupolev Tu-86R was a recce version project.

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« Reply #95 on: November 25, 2015, 05:12:10 am »
In my files,and in this Russian site;

the Tupolev Tu-95S was a strategic missiles carrier,also called Tu-135 or Aircraft-135.

http://www.testpilot.ru/russia/tupolev/95/s/tu95s.htm

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« Reply #96 on: November 25, 2015, 10:00:28 pm »
Hi!
Tu-85's Dobrynin VD-4K six bank 24 cylinder turbo-compound inline liquid cooling engine.
You can see power recovery engine exhaust gas turbine top and bottom of the six bank 24 cylinder.
Also you can see turbo charger unit and intercooler behind the engine.
You can see some kind of fan at the front of the engine?
Of course this engine need big radiator located somewhere of the aircraft. Where is the radiators?
Circular radiator is located front of the engoine? And fan is forced cooling fan for the radiator?
We can see cowl flap at the front of the engine nacelle.

Specifications VD-4K
General characteristics
Type: 6-bank, 24-cylinder, turbo-compound inline engine
Bore: 148 mm (5.8 in)
Stroke: 144 mm (5.7 in)
Displacement: 59.43 L (3,627 cu in)
Length: 2.5 m (8 ft 2 in)
Diameter: 1.4 m (4 ft 7 in)
Dry weight: 2,065 kg (4,552 lb)
Components
Cooling system: Liquid-cooled
Performance
Power output: 4,300 hp (3,200 kW)
Compression ratio: 7:1

Tu-85 three side view.
http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/russia/tu-85.gif
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« Reply #97 on: November 25, 2015, 10:54:24 pm »
85A had additional jet engine?
Auto translation of 85A prat. ;D
http://worldweapon.ru/sam/tu85.php
"85A". In September 1949, the question of additional eighties. installation on plane "85.5″ two VK-1 TURBOJET ENGINE. 85 aircraft considered ″ with ASH-2 k (ash-4 k) with two additional type VK-1 TURBOJET ENGINE. Two VK-1 engine installed in the rear parts of the inner engine nacelles, air intake for them was carried out from the air wing leading edge through tunnels, located symmetrically relative to the axis of the motor nacelles. On the basis of the carried out calculations for such modification evaluated aircraft performance: added the possibility to increase the take-off mass up to 117,500 values kg; increased maximum speed to 23% at flight weight of 95000 kg; significantly increased cruising speed in the target area, as well as the average flight speed; significantly decreased time-to-height; increased service ceiling plane. But the idea with combined power unit for 85 aircraft ″ not found a practical application, since that time, the decisive criterion for the aircraft was range, rather than a short-term increase in speed and range, this option even for preliminary calculations of lost base. In addition, the complexity of a design and need to be on board the two heterogeneous fuel system: gasoline and kerosene are not justified by some higher airspeed.
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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #98 on: November 26, 2015, 04:17:35 am »
Hi!
Tu-80.
Wing front view is impressive.
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« Reply #99 on: November 26, 2015, 05:32:47 am »
Thank you my dear Blackkite,

also in my files,the Tupolev Tu-115 was allocated to Tu-106A,and powered by four Klimov
VD-19 turbojet engines,two mounted under the wing and anther two mounted above the
rear of the fuselage,Project only.

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« Reply #100 on: December 02, 2015, 07:38:43 am »
Also in my files,

the Tupolev Tu-20 was a regional jet aircraft Project,powered by two turbofan
engines at 1990s.
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« Reply #101 on: January 02, 2016, 01:24:54 pm »
Hi,

here is the Tupolev Aircraft-145 Project.

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« Reply #102 on: November 28, 2016, 04:10:39 am »
Again,

what was this ?.

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« Reply #103 on: November 28, 2016, 04:18:35 am »
Hi,

the Tupolev Aircraft 342 was also called Tu-95MS early Project,which never built,
later developed into Tu-95MS6,Tu-95MS16 .......etc

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« Reply #104 on: November 28, 2016, 11:49:21 am »
'45M' and '139' (first with this designation)
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stealth, more than a few of them truly technically ignorant and proud of it." Sherm Mullin, Skunk Works

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« Reply #105 on: November 28, 2016, 01:00:04 pm »
'45M' and '139' (first with this designation)

Thanks.

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« Reply #106 on: November 29, 2016, 05:29:17 am »
In my files,

the Tupolev Tu-126 AWACS was appeared in four variants,first was based on Tu-95
but not built,second was based on Tu-114,only one aircraft built,third was a production
version with refueling system,fourth with a radar Bumblebee ,remained a Project.

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« Reply #107 on: December 03, 2016, 05:39:32 am »
Hi,

here is a Tupolev Tu-74 variants.

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« Reply #108 on: December 03, 2016, 06:53:58 am »
Our Hall of Fame and Wonderwall - photos by Said Aminov
http://saidpvo.livejournal.com/559565.html
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stealth, more than a few of them truly technically ignorant and proud of it." Sherm Mullin, Skunk Works

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« Reply #109 on: December 03, 2016, 07:22:27 am »
Our Hall of Fame and Wonderwall - photos by Said Aminov
http://saidpvo.livejournal.com/559565.html

Amazing pictures my dear Flateric,and we can put some of them here.
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« Reply #110 on: December 03, 2016, 07:24:05 am »
And;

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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #111 on: December 03, 2016, 11:06:03 am »
Hesham,  Great photo collection. Thank you for posting.

Bravo from Texas!

Flateric, My sincere apologies.  I did not realize you had posted the original link on the previous page.  Wonderful photos. 

When I was a boy of 11, I visited the 1973 Paris Air Show with my parents on the days before the public was allowed onto the Le Bourget air field.  I was the only kid at the show, and wandered by myself among the aircraft for several days.  The Tu-144 fascinated me, and I would view it at length at its display area.  On our last day, I was standing in front of the starboard wing when they moved the barricades and started rolling the aircraft toward me to go fly.  No one said anything to me (they were used to seeing me there by then), and as I stood there that vast delta wing moved over me and I was right beside the nacelle.  It was truly awe inspiring, and one of my favorite memories.  Although the Concorde was gracefully beautiful, the Tu-144 had a brutally powerful and straight-lined appeal that I still find intriguing.  It would have been very interesting to fly her.
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« Reply #112 on: December 04, 2016, 06:09:20 am »
I second the gratitude for the pictures.  I am glad more of us aviation enthusiasts are being given an opportunity to appreciate the inventiveness of this storied design bureau.

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« Reply #113 on: December 24, 2016, 03:44:30 pm »
Hi! Tupolev Tu-1.
Wikipedia  says that her maiden flight was 1947. The maiden flight date was later than Tu-2 but her name was Tu-1. ???
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-1
Inboard wing design is interesting. Radiator?

Another information.
http://www.aviastar.org/air/russia/ant-63.php
"An attempt to produce a radar-equipped three-seat long-range night and all-weather fighter also suited for the escort mission, the ANT-63P, alias Tu-1, was one of a number of progressive developments of the ANT-61 (Tu-2S) bomber. Initially powered by two 1,900hp Mikulin AM-39F 12-cylinder liquid-cooled engines, the ANT-63P (the suffix letter indicating Perekhvatchik, or "Interceptor") carried a fixed forward-firing armament of four 23mm cannon, two in the wing roots and two in the lower forward fuselage. The nose was intended to accommodate a PNB-1 Gneiss-1 airborne intercept radar based on the German FuG 220. First flown on 30 December 1946, the ANT-63P attained 680km/h and demonstrated a range of 2500km. Official interest in piston-engined fighters was waning by this time, and although the ANT-63P was re-engined with 1,950hp Mikulin AM-43V engines driving four-bladed propellers, being tested in this form in December 1947, no production was undertaken. "
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« Reply #114 on: December 24, 2016, 09:30:39 pm »
Hi!
16Kh carrier aircraft
https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2015/09/08/tupolev-tu-2-and-variants/
"The German Fi 103 (‘V. 1’) flying bomb was the basis for a large Soviet programme of air-launched cruise missiles in the immediate post-war era. One of the later variants was the 16Kh Priboi (surf, breaking waves). The fact this was fitted with twin engines meant that it could be carried under the Tu-2. The first modified Tu-2 launch aircraft began testing at LII on 28th January 1948, and live missile launchings took place on the Akhtuba range between 22nd July and 25th December 1948, testing the D-312 and D-14-4 engines and various electric or pneumatic flight-control systems. The Tu-2 launch aircraft continued in the process of refining guidance and improving reliability until at least 4th November 1950, by which time the Tu-4 was being modified as carrier aircraft with one missile under each outer nacelle. The WS rejected the 16Kh on grounds of poor accuracy, and eventually the argument reached Stalin who shortly before his death terminated this missile."
Tu-2LL
"Not least, in the immediate post-war era the Tu-2 was the most important aircraft converted to air-test turbojet engines. Occasionally the designation Tu-2LL (flying laboratory) was used, but one of the most important was (possibly unofficially) designated Tu-2N, because it was allocated to test the imported Rolls-Royce Nene. This required the test engine to be mounted in a nacelle of large diameter (basic engine diameter 1.26m, 4ft 11/2in). Later more than one Tu-2 was used to test Soviet RD-45 and VK-1 derivatives of the Nene, including variants with an afterburner. However, these were all preceded by aircraft, some of which had been Tupolev Type 61 prototypes, which were converted to test captured German axial engines: the BMW 003A (Soviet designation RD-20) and the Junkers Jumo 004B (Soviet designation RD-10). Another 61 prototype was used to test the first Soviet turbojet to fly, the Lyul’kaTR-1, in 1946."

You can see Tu-2LL and Tu-2S carrier aircraft of 16kh guided bomb in top picture.
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« Reply #115 on: December 29, 2016, 07:25:10 am »
In my files,

the Tupolev Tu-126 AWACS was appeared in four variants,first was based on Tu-95
but not built,second was based on Tu-114,only one aircraft built,third was a production
version with refueling system,fourth with a radar Bumblebee ,remained a Project.

from the book; Red Star 23, Soviet-Russian AWACS Aircraft Tu-126,A-50,An-71 and Ka-31

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« Reply #116 on: December 29, 2016, 01:35:26 pm »
Thank you Flateric for the link and to Hesham for the image posting.  Impressive collection and I totally agree with Yasotay's comment about the rest of us being able to see it. 

Enjoy the Day!  Mark

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« Reply #117 on: January 02, 2017, 06:45:33 pm »
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« Reply #118 on: January 02, 2017, 06:59:53 pm »
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« Reply #119 on: January 02, 2017, 07:06:21 pm »
Hi!
The plane "82", "83" and "86".

http://aviadejavu.ru/Site/Crafts/Craft20688.htm
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« Reply #120 on: January 02, 2017, 09:00:27 pm »
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« Reply #123 on: January 04, 2017, 03:41:31 pm »
Hi! ANT-69(Tu-8).
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/bomber/tu8.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-8

"The Tupolev Tu-8 was a long-range variant of the Soviet Tupolev Tu-2 medium bomber that first flew after the end of World War II. It was canceled when it proved to be unstable, structurally unsound and its generators were not strong enough to fully power its gun turrets. With the advent of jet-powered bombers, Soviet military planners decided that it simply was not worth devoting the necessary resources to fix its numerous problems."
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« Reply #124 on: January 05, 2017, 08:52:22 am »
renamed

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« Reply #125 on: January 09, 2017, 07:10:10 am »
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Thank you my dear Antoni,

and as I know,the Tupolev Tu-74 were allocated to a different five aircraft
Projects ?.

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« Reply #126 on: January 10, 2017, 01:02:02 am »
Hi! "74"?

http://aviadejavu.ru/Site/Arts/Art5528.htm

Wikipedia says that...
Tu-73: three-engined development of the Tu-18, 1947
Tu-74 (also known as Tu-73R): proposed high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft developed from the Tu-73

And
https://books.google.co.jp/books?id=fOC7Ii5SgZUC&pg=PA102&lpg=PA102&dq=Tupolev+Tu-74&source=bl&ots=Eyz9r3JP4_&sig=mC1zUv8WE-eqm7uTVKN65KmHC00&hl=ja&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJ-ODMnbfRAhXGiLwKHXlJBWwQ6AEITzAK#v=onepage&q=Tupolev%20Tu-74&f=false

So I can count five........
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« Reply #127 on: January 10, 2017, 05:26:59 am »
In page 111 of Yefim Gordon's amazing book "OKB TUPOLEV, A History of the Design Bureau and its Aircraft", I found almost same drawing compared with this drawing , which is named "76 mixed power bomber". This aircraft looks like "74".
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« Reply #128 on: January 12, 2017, 03:44:47 am »
and as I know,the Tupolev Tu-74 were allocated to a different five aircraft
Projects ?.

They are;

Tu-74/I     was a high altitude recce Project of 1946,powered by two M-93 engines
Tu-74/II    was a high altitude bomber Project (maybe in 1946),also powered by two M-93s
Tu-74/III   was a high altitude recce Project of 1947,powered by two ASh-84TK engines
Tu-74/IV   was a high altitude recce aircraft,work stopped in 1948,powered by two ASh-84TK +
                  one Nene RD-45 engines
Tu-74/V     was a high altitude bomber Project of 1947,fitted with swept horizontal tail of Tu-73,
                  powered by two ASh-84TK + one Nene RD-45 engines

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« Reply #129 on: January 12, 2017, 03:59:10 am »
Thanks master!!

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« Reply #130 on: January 13, 2017, 04:02:02 am »
Hi,

also the Tupolev Tu-76 was appeared in three concepts;

Tu-76/I     was a torpedo bomber Project of 1946,based on Tu-74 which itself a derivative of Tu-2,
                 powered by two ASh-73TK + one Nene RD-45 engines
Tu-76/II    was a medium bomber Project of 1947,powered by two M-3 engines
Tu-76/III   was a troop transport aircraft,also known as Tu-4D,powered by four ASh-73TK
                 engines

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« Reply #132 on: January 14, 2017, 04:28:01 am »
Hi,

also the Tu-73 was allocated to five variants;

Tu-73/I    was a short-rang bomber Project of 1946,drawing only,powered by two Nene engines
Tu-73/II   was a medium bomber aircraft of 1947,powered by two Nene + one Derwent V engines
Tu-73/III  was a front-line bomber aircraft of 1948,powered by two RD-45 + one RD-500 engines
Tu-73/IV  was a long-range bomber Project of 1948,powered by two RD-1 engines
Tu-73/V   was a long-range bomber Project of 1949,powered by two RD-2 engines

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« Reply #134 on: January 14, 2017, 04:51:37 pm »
Hi! Tu-78.
http://aviadejavu.ru/Site/Crafts/Craft27588.htm

"Experienced bomber "78" A.n. Tupolev design, equipped with a combined powerplant of two Rolls-Royce Nene engines (in Underwing nacelles) and one(?) Rolls-Royce Derwent Mk V, which was situated in the rear part of the fuselage."
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« Reply #135 on: January 14, 2017, 05:31:28 pm »
Hi! 489 model and 3-side view.
http://www.ussr-airspace.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=28_39_38_100&products_id=2520

https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/soviet-aircraft-manufacturers.11592/

"a redesigned 6 engined derivative of the Tu-85 that dates from 1948 (there was an 8 engine version proposed as well) designed as 'Project 489'"

"This design then evolved into this one(bottom drawing), still under the same number, it now has more highly swept wing and a fully glazed nose, but the tail is lower than on the Western created picture in my earlier post. "

"There were even some sketchy specs with the drawings, range was 'up to 12,430 miles' Span 183ft, MTOW 209,000lbs and powerplants were to be 6 x Shvetsov ASh-73TK(?) turboprops. "

I wonder what engine 489 had. Single propeller turboprop engine?TVD VK-2?
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=9238.0;attach=571461;image
Source
http://alternathistory.com/tu-200-odin-iz-mifov-kholodnoi-voiny
"In the study were variants of machines "489" with various promising engines: TVD VK-2, diesel engines m-224, as well as combination piston m-222 with a TURBOJET ENGINE Rd-45."
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« Reply #136 on: January 14, 2017, 10:51:25 pm »
Model large pictures.

http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-765.html

This site says that this model is "485", but engine is turboprop.
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« Reply #137 on: January 14, 2017, 11:40:11 pm »
Hi! "Deck-mounted torpedo 509. OKB Tupolev. 1950".
http://alternathistory.com/palubnyi-torpedonosets-509-okb-tupoleva-1950g

"In the USSR the question of deck aircraft took quite distinct forms in the late forties, when it adopted an ambitious programme to establish Ocean fleet. It provided for the construction of aircraft carriers and various classes. At the same time aviation KB got jobs on design of deck aircraft. Fighters engaged in collective A.s. Yakovlev, bombers and ground attack aircraft-A.n. Tupolev.
In 1950 year A.n. Tupolev OKB received an assignment to investigate the possibility of creating a deck torpedo bomber with two engines VC-1 with the following data:
-maximum take-off weight-15 t;-maximum speed at an altitude of 5000 m-900 km/h;-ceiling-12000 m;-range with 1500 kg of bombs-1500 km;
-takeoff with 2 accelerators for an aircraft carrier in 20 nodes-220 m;-envelope with folded wing scale-8 m;-aircraft length-15 m;-height-6 m;
-gun armament:forward 2 guns;back to the KDU-2 guns;-caliber guns-23 mm;
-the crew-2 pers.
Conceptual design and production of drawings were completed by 1953 g.
Draft deck torpedo-bomber "509 (9th draft 1950 г.) was created on the base of 81 aircraft (NAVY torpedo bomber TU-14) with a reduction in all options over about a third ... The desire to use this machine as a prototype, it was understandable and natural. Its layout and the technical solutions adopted, as demonstrated by flight tests (1947-49), were acquitted. The powerplant was supposed to be two VK-1 TURBOJET ENGINE with a centrifugal compressor. The main difference were folding wing and brake for planting with ajerofinisherom GAK.
Study showed that the job has the ability to meet the defined dimensions and provide the required information when the takeoff weight 13-15 tons and wing surface 50-60 sq.m. For further calculations you selected with takeoff weight 14.8 tons and wing area 54 sq.m. Certain difficulties were associated with the size of the KDU and sighting radar PRS-1 "Argon".
All performance data was feasible except for the length of the take-off decks at 220 m, which could only be achieved using 4-x.
"509" Project was brought to the stage technical proposal with two variants of the nose of the fuselage (from 81 aircraft or aircraft 82 "), with a wingspan 18.2 m, wing area of 55 sq m, extension wing-6, takeoff weight 15 t and bomb load of up to 3000 kg."
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« Reply #138 on: January 15, 2017, 07:50:23 am »
Hi,

there was three Tu-78 concepts;

Tu-78/I    was a twin engined recce airplane Project,based on Tu-8,powered by two ASh-82FN
                 engines
Tu-78/II   was a three engined experimental bomber,powered by two Nene + one Derwent V
                 engines
Tu-78/III  was a bomber Project,powered by three VK-1 engines.

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« Reply #139 on: January 15, 2017, 11:50:53 pm »
SOVIET SECRET PROJECTS BOMBERS SINCE 1945, TONY BUTTLER & YEFIM GORDON(ISBN 1-85780-194-6) says that
"project 487 extra long range version became Tu-85."

"Project 471,473 and 474 were extra long range bomber with six or eight engines and some of the designs were given moderate sweepback on all of their flying surfaces. 473 had six Shvetsov ASh-73TK engine. When reports of the possible existence of these large bombers was received in the West, the provisional designation Tu-200 was allocated to them, but this number was never used by the Soviet Union."

Tu-200.
http://alternathistory.com/tu-200-odin-iz-mifov-kholodnoi-voiny

http://www.libma.ru/transport_i_aviacija/aviacija_i_kosmonavtika_1997_03/p3.php
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« Reply #140 on: January 15, 2017, 11:52:16 pm »
Hi,

there was three Tu-78 concepts;

Tu-78/I    was a twin engined recce airplane Project,based on Tu-8,powered by two ASh-82FN
                 engines
Tu-78/II   was a three engined experimental bomber,powered by two Nene + one Derwent V
                 engines
Tu-78/III  was a bomber Project,powered by three VK-1 engines.
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« Reply #142 on: January 17, 2017, 12:54:58 am »
Supersonic composite America bomber "109".
One version of "108" with turbofan engines besforsazhnymi p-4 KB N.d. Kuznetsov.
Basic design data of aircraft 109 "4-6
-wingspan-37.5 m;
-wing area-350 m2;
-maximum
speed-1800-2000 km/h;
-flight range-10000 km, at supersonic speed-1500-1800 km.

Source ; http://coollib.net/b/121176/read

Suspended(parasite) bomber shape is little different from"100". What is this? ???
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« Reply #143 on: January 17, 2017, 06:38:16 pm »
Hi,

there was three Tu-78 concepts;

Tu-78/I    was a twin engined recce airplane Project,based on Tu-8,powered by two ASh-82FN
                 engines
Tu-78/II   was a three engined experimental bomber,powered by two Nene + one Derwent V
                 engines
Tu-78/III  was a bomber Project,powered by three VK-1 engines.
Hi!
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« Reply #144 on: January 18, 2017, 01:22:26 pm »
Again,

the Tu-77 was appeared in three concepts;

Tu-77/I    was a four engined medium bomber Project of 1947,powered by 4 Nene I engines
Tu-77/II   was a twin engined front-line bomber aircraft,powered by two Nene I engines
Tu-77/III  was a front-line bomber aircraft developed from Tu-77/II,but powered by two RD-45 engines

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« Reply #145 on: January 19, 2017, 05:52:29 am »
In desingnation system, AM-san said that....
77 (1st)  Tu-12 2Nene-1 experimental jet bomber 1947 5
77 (2nd) Tu-30 4Nene-1 bomber (1947) project -

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,8071.15.html

Tu-12.
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/bomber/tu12.html

Tu-12/77.
http://aviadejavu.ru/Site/Crafts/Craft22012.htm
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« Reply #146 on: February 03, 2017, 05:41:58 am »
99 far intercontinental bomber project.

http://coollib.net/b/121037/read
"After the disaster in May 1953 year of the first prototype "95/1", KB began the search for possible alternative engines KB N.d. Kuznetsov (2tv-2F and tv-12). The possibility of moving Theatre d-19, which was engaged in designing KB P.a. solovyeva and which had the same power as tv-12. At the same time was an elaboration of the installation on the aircraft "95" and "96" powerful new and more efficient TURBOJET KB V.a. Dobrynina and a.m. Lyulka.
Was offered the option of installation on plane "96" four engines VD-7 with a maximum thrust of 11000 kg. The eighties version with six AL-7 with traction to 6500 kg. It was supposed to install engines on pylons under the wing of the type as was done on the American bomber b-47. There were other development. All of these options Setup projects for a new type of propulsion for aircraft "95" and "96" took place on aircraft under the designation "KB 99".
Successes KB AMG Kuznetsova Na tv-12 and improve its reliability, was removed from the agenda the question of alternative propulsion systems for aircraft "95".
Somewhat later for TU-95 and TU-96 was offered the option to install innovative reactive screw Motors p-8, designed in the early 50-h godov KB N.d. Kuznetsov, but these works do not come out of the stage of the preliminary designs. Tu-95 flew and continue to fly with the engines type NK-12."
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« Reply #147 on: February 03, 2017, 05:52:43 am »
And "103".
Far transzvukovoj bomber project
In terms of the development of the project "97" version had aircraft KB
"103" representing modification of Tu-16 with four engines VD-7 (maximum thrust 11000 kg) or with four AM-13 (each AM-13 represented the firing of two type-II TURBOJET ENGINE). Pairs of engines had to be placed in the larger gondolas at the fuselage as the Tu-16. Wing swept-45°, the fuselage of Tu-16 type. 103 aircraft project "further development, had not received as the previous project" 97 ".

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« Reply #148 on: February 03, 2017, 06:25:58 am »
Hi! "90".
http://translate.google.fr/translate?hl=fr&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Falternathistory.com%2Fsamolet-90-turbovintovoi-tu-16-proekt-1954g&sandbox=1
"In 1954, at the initiative of the Design Bureau considered S.M.Egera airplane design Tu-16 with two turboprop TV-12 (SC-12) with a capacity of 12,000 hp  TPD instead of two 3-AM.  KB Project on the aircraft received the designation "90" (the second with the same name). "
"According to the first estimates of all it promised increase flight distance by 40-45%, while reducing the maximum speed of 90-100 km / h with respect to the serial Tu-16 turbojet AM-3. "
"The maximum range of the airplane, "90" could be 10 000 km against 7200 km from the Tu-16A.  Accordingly, substantially increased and combat radius, compared with a jet Tu-16.
 Unfortunately, the aircraft project "90" has not received development. Tu-16 satisfied the military at that time as it is.  Besides already tested the Tu-95 and M-4 with a range of 12-15 km 000 ,, developed promising new supersonic bombers.  Against the background of the aircraft project "90" did not look interesting for the Air Force, as the impact of strategic aviation machine. "

Previous contribution for "90" and "Tu-118".
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« Reply #150 on: February 03, 2017, 08:48:39 pm »
Hi! Tu-96. (High altitude option of Tu-95)
http://translate.google.fr/translate?hl=fr&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Faviadejavu.ru%2FSite%2FCrafts%2FCraft20447.htm&sandbox=1

http://translate.google.fr/translate?hl=fr&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.airwar.ru%2Fenc%2Fbomber%2Ftu96.html&sandbox=1
"Even at the stage of conceptual design of the aircraft was worked ╚95╩ its high altitude (with a working ceiling 16000-17000 m) option ╚ ╩ 96 (TU-96) with increased wing area and TV-16 turboprop engine(Tu-95MS : NK-12M), capable of retaining its characteristics at these heights.  March 29, 1952 published the corresponding decision the Council of Ministers.  The aircraft to be built in two copies with the transfer of the first test at the factory in July 1954 and on the state - in December of the same year.  OKB-276 was obliged to transfer the TV-16 bench tests in January, and the summer - in June 1954
 High Altitude Engine TV 16 was a development of the TV-12 with a design maximum takeoff power ehp 12500, the maximum capacity at a height of 14,000 m at a flight speed of 850 km / h - 12000 ehp, specific fuel consumption maximum capacity - 0,135 kg / e.l.s.  at one o'clock.  ╚Suhoy╩ engine weight should not exceed 3100 kg.  OKB-120 under the leadership of K.I.Zhdanova instructed to make new screws with hollow steel blades instead tselnodyuralevyh used on TV-12.
 Draft aircraft ╚96╩ project completed by March 1953 on the calculation of the bomber at takeoff weight of 155 tons and a cruising speed of 800 km / h had a practical range 16,200 km (7% fuel residue) and a maximum range of technical - 18000 km.  Maximum design speed - 902 km / h.  From Tu-95 aircraft differed increased wing area (345.5 m2, Tu-95MS : 289.9m2) and span (51.4 m, Tu-95MS : 50.04m) with a slightly larger sweep in the middle. Another difference - the increased front crew cabin.  The aft gun mount intended to equip a new sighting ╚Ksenon╩ radar.  The structure of the navigation equipment includes systems distant radio navigation system and ╚Meridian╩ ╚Materik╩ blind landing.  The plane was supposed to equip the new stations LD (RPDS and CPF) and system identification (pollster ╚Hrom╩ ╚Nikel╩ and defendant). "
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« Reply #151 on: February 04, 2017, 01:30:49 am »
Tupolev Tu-95 No.1 prototype was powered by Kuznetsov 2TV-2F turboprop engine which coupled two TV-2F engine with reduction gearbox.

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3276654&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=407
"Tupolev would opt for turboprop power, but not just any turboprop; the most powerful turboprop engine yet created, the Kuznetsov-designed 2TV-2F engine. The 2TV-2F was in fact not one engine at all; it was two of Kuznetsov’s TV-2 gas turbines joined together with a common gearbox, driving a single contra-rotating propeller.

By combining two of these engines via a common gearbox, Kuznetsov reckoned this powerplant would be sufficient to power Tupolev’s new bomber. Therefore, it was decided that the new aircraft, carrying the designation Tu-95, would fly with four of the 2TV-2F engines, each powerplant producing 12,800 shp. In late 1952, this new aircraft took to the skies for the first time.

However, the 2TV-2F engines soon proved to be troublesome; specifically, the reduction gearbox, which takes the high-speed output from the power turbine and reduces it to a useable speed for a propeller. The reduction gearbox of the 2TV-2F, however, suffered from extreme vibrations and overheating, often attributable to poor workmanship and improper specification. Unfortunately, one of these problematic gearboxes failed catastrophically on the 11th of May, 1953, causing the loss of the aircraft and crew after the affected engine departed the airframe. As this was still very much Stalin’s Russia, both Tupolev and Kuznetsov were in tremendous danger of being executed for the sloppy workmanship that caused the accident – Nikolai Kuznetsov reportedly fainted on after hearing about the accident. However, officials in both design bureaus appealed to the government of their continued usefulness and asked for a second chance; grudgingly, the government relented (no doubt realising the extreme priority of the project) and allowed Tupolev to revise his aircraft, and for Kuznetsov to design an entirely new engine. No doubt feeling more pressure at that time than any other in his career, Kuznetsov rallied his design bureau (and the German engineers still working there) to dramatically scale up the TV-2, using new materials and new technologies to create a single gas generator (and a more simple reduction gearbox) that was sufficiently powerful for the Tu-95. By the end of 1954 this new engine, the TV-12, was running successfully on test stands and on testbed aircraft – in fact, it was running better and more reliably than any previous turboprop engine Kuznetsov had designed! Kuznetsov’s new engine was ordered into production almost the moment it became evident it would meet its design criteria, and was to be re-designated as the NK-12. "

Tu-95MS.
http://translate.google.fr/translate?hl=fr&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fcoollib.com%2Fb%2F244163%2Fread&sandbox=1
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« Reply #152 on: February 04, 2017, 02:43:27 am »
Is there any information for the tu-108 with turboprop engines available? An area-ruled turboprop with a delta wing like a b-58 looks rather bizarre. Was it to have supersonic propellers like the research done in the US in the 1950s?

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« Reply #153 on: February 04, 2017, 04:06:46 am »
Is there any information for the tu-108 with turboprop engines available? An area-ruled turboprop with a delta wing like a b-58 looks rather bizarre. Was it to have supersonic propellers like the research done in the US in the 1950s?
Good question!! It's one of my questions,too.
Four turboprop engines drive contra rotating propellers via extension shafts. The main gear fairing are outboard of the inboard engines.
Engine may be Kuznetsov P-8 turboprop engine. (Source : OKB TUPOLEV)
I imagine that this is a subsonic mother aircraft for parasite supersonic bomber.
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« Reply #154 on: February 06, 2017, 03:19:02 am »
Hi! "135". "Long road to the Tu-160.  Part 2"
http://lib.rus.ec/b/258948/read
http://translate.google.fr/translate?hl=fr&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Flib.rus.ec%2Fb%2F258948%2Fread
" Tupolev Design Bureau, in connection with the cessation of work on the M-56, was a 3-month period to make proposals on creating long-range supersonic carrier aircraft and long-range supersonic spy plane with the consideration of the possibility of a serial construction of the factory number 22 in Kazan.
  Thus Tupolev given the task to create a particular shock aviation system.  As part of this work, which received the designation on OKB aircraft "135" (TU-135), in S.M.Egera department (direct management of elaborations on the theme was handled by G.I.Zaltsmana, one of the leading designers of OKB-builders, who took in the 30 years involved in the design of aircraft and Security Ar-2 under the direction of A.A.Arhangelskogo, and fine expert in the field of layout supersonic heavy airplanes G.V.Mahotkina, Tupolev assemble such machines as the Tu-22 and Tu 1/8, and in the past 50 years R.L.Bartini school) reviewed a large number of projects on creation of aviation and missile and strategic intelligence systems based on different versions of the draft long-range heavy supersonic aircraft.
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For example...
"The first group
The plane "135" mid-engined
(Variant №1) This variant is almost completely repeats the scheme of American aircraft L-70.  The scheme "duck", a delta wing with a sweep on the leading edge - 65 degrees, cantilevered wing tip are deflected in flight dvuhkilevoe vertical tail, four engine type NC-6 (maximum take-off thrust each 23,000 kg) in one package in the tail section of the aircraft.  Air intakes - separate multimode vertical wedge.  Armament in variant missile - a rocket type of X-22.
 Preliminary data for this project were the following:
 wingspan 28,00 m
 fuselage length of 46.80 m
 the height of the aircraft in the parking lot, 10,00 m wing area, sq.m 380
 take-off weight, kg 190000
 cruising speed, km / h in 2500
 Practical flight range at a speed of 2500 km / h, 7950 km flight altitude over the target, the length of 22500 m running start, m 2300
The plane "135" with engines under the wing without a horizontal tail
The overall layout reminiscent of US projects on the A-12.  "Tailless" integrated circuit, engines NK-6 stood in pairs in two bearing nacelles.  Sweep integral part of the fuselage-wing - 80 degrees, the wing panels - 70 degrees.  Armament in variant missile - a missile Kh-52.
 Preliminary data for this project were the following
 wingspan 27,00 m
 fuselage length of 54.60 m
 the height of the aircraft in the parking lot, 10,50 m wing area, sq.m 490
 take-off weight, kg 190000
 cruising speed, km / h in 2500
 Practical flight range at a speed of 2500 km / h, 7900 km flight altitude over the target, the length of 23500 m running start, m 2300 "
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« Reply #156 on: February 07, 2017, 06:55:01 pm »
Hi! Tu-145 and Tu-145M.

http://translate.google.fr/translate?hl=fr&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aviation-gb7.ru%2FTu-22M3_02.htm&sandbox=1

"Founded in OKB Tupolev (now JSC "Tupolev") in the late 50s - early 60s and adopting a long-range aviation and naval aviation during the second half of the 60s family supersonic long-range strike aircraft, includes himself scouts-bombers Tu-22P, missile carriers Tu-22K aircraft jamming Tu-22P and trainer aircraft Tu-22U, as well as their modifications, are mass-produced in relatively small quantities, could not either quantitatively or qualitatively, with taking into account the new requirements put forward to the long-range aircraft and naval aviation of the USSR, fully replace the air Force long-range mass subsonic Tu-16 and its target modification, and thereby solve the new technical level, the challenges posed by the command of the air Force in front of the class aircraft.

 A large amount of work on the projects and long-distance single-mode missile bomber "106" and "125", designed for cruising speed of M = 2.5 ... 3.0, held in the bureau did not give a definitive and unequivocal result - how to be a future attack aircraft of Russian Air Force capable of fully replacing the legendary Air Force Tu-16.

The first work on the project far the multi-aircraft missile OKB began in late 1964 - early 1965.  At the initial stage of design OKB led initiative.  Government Decree on the development of the aircraft appeared only at the end of 1967 and in the first stage on the subject, there were only a joint decision of the Minister of Aviation Industry PV Dementiev and Air Force Commander PS Kutahova, received the support of D. Ustinov, at that time in charge of the Central Committee of the CPSU for the MIC operations.  Since the work in the bureau were to "semi-legal" basis for the requirements of the regime and the "great love" for manned aircraft heavy shock by Khrushchev, the theme at all levels was declared as a deep modernization of serial Tu-22K and further development of the design bureau works on "106" (by the way, the project "106" managed to get the military official designation Tu-22M. It was the first aircraft with the designation).  And if at the beginning of work on the project modernization component, at least for missile systems and avionics, largely correspond to reality, in the course of the project they were so common tactical center line on the general form of the scheme.  As a result, the initial draft of the aircraft "145", soon received the official designation Tu-22M ( "YM", "AM", "45"), in the course of its development, it has become a completely new car, constructively which had little in common with the original serial Tu-22K and "106" project. "

"In addition to these built Tu-22M EDO options were studied several projects of modifications and upgrades of the aircraft on which work has not emerged from the initial stages of design.  In 1972, the Design Bureau for naval aviation to prepare a technical proposal for a radical modernization of the Tu-22M.  The project was designated "45M". "

Tu-125.
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5729.msg299706.html#msg299706

So Tu-16⇒Tu-22⇒Tu-106⇒Tu-125⇒Tu-145⇒Tu-22M?
And Tu-95/M4⇒Tu-135⇒Tu-160?
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« Reply #157 on: February 27, 2017, 04:22:47 am »
Hi! The plane "135" 's NK-6 duct burning turbofan engine.

http://lib.rus.ec/b/258948/read

"For aircraft propulsion "135" covered the following types of engines:
NK-6 (maximum take-off thrust is 23000-23500 kg, fuel consumption at cruise supersonic re-bench-  1.5-1.7 kg/kg/h)
NK-6B(Б)  22480 kgf; 1.5-1.75  kg/kgsch)
NK-6B      118700 kgf; 1.7 -1.9 kg/kgf/h)
NK-6С      122500 kgf; 1.6-1.7  kg/kgsch.
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« Reply #158 on: March 03, 2017, 04:39:03 am »
108 and its 100 parasite (both are just one of myriad iterations studied)

In my files,

there was anther Tupolev Aircraft-100 (not a parasite),and it was also a supersonic
bomber,powered by four engines,any confirm about this ?.

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« Reply #160 on: March 04, 2017, 04:37:18 am »
What is this strange aircraft located behind Tu-16 early design model. Biplane horizontal tail stabilizer!! :o
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« Reply #161 on: March 04, 2017, 04:39:47 am »
You meant this,I will check.

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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #162 on: March 05, 2017, 01:25:40 am »
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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #163 on: March 05, 2017, 01:34:03 am »
Hi! Tu-106.
http://aviadejavu.ru/Site/Crafts/Craft31091.htm

Please watch engine center shock cone in the first picture.
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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #165 on: May 01, 2017, 06:59:34 am »
Also from;  Ту-22. Стратегический бомбардировщик, ракетоносец, разведчик

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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #166 on: May 04, 2017, 06:15:04 am »
In my files,I found this strange Info,

a variant from Tu-4 was called Tu-400 !,is that right ?.

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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #167 on: May 05, 2017, 06:01:36 am »
In my files,I found this strange Info,

a variant from Tu-4 was called Tu-400 !,is that right ?.

The source.

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« Reply #168 on: May 05, 2017, 07:27:26 am »
Perhaps a typo. This refers to Tu-4LL.
Airplanes are interesting toys but of no military value.
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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #169 on: May 05, 2017, 09:07:10 am »
Perhaps a typo. This refers to Tu-4LL.

Maybe you are right my dear Granit,but it was not only source for it as I remember ?.

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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #170 on: May 05, 2017, 01:08:08 pm »
I did not see other sources linking the Tu-4 and the Tu-400.
Airplanes are interesting toys but of no military value.
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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #171 on: May 13, 2017, 02:40:52 pm »
AM-3 was definitely tested on Tu-4LL so this is a typo.
'400' was bizjet project from 90s
http://www.tinlib.ru/transport_i_aviacija/aviacija_i_kosmonavtika_2001_01/p11.php
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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #172 on: May 13, 2017, 02:52:06 pm »
AM-3 was definitely tested on Tu-4LL so this is a typo.
'400' was bizjet project from 90s
http://www.tinlib.ru/transport_i_aviacija/aviacija_i_kosmonavtika_2001_01/p11.php

Thanks.

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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #173 on: May 21, 2017, 05:55:50 am »
Le Fana 326,

the Tu-145.

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« Reply #176 on: July 13, 2017, 06:45:31 am »
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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #177 on: July 15, 2017, 05:09:25 am »
Blackkite's Tu-139 looks fascinating.  Looks like minimal clearance between the under-slung rocket and the nacelles.  Nacelles also show an interesting strake / vertical stabilizer (?) feature that I've never seen before.  Thanks Blackkite.  I need to research this aircraft. 
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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #178 on: July 15, 2017, 05:02:14 pm »
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« Reply #179 on: July 15, 2017, 09:54:24 pm »
The project is an experimental rocket plane "139" is ready to perform one of the stages of creating a rocket plane program "Star".
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Tu '136' 'Zvezda' 'Star'.
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=850.0;attach=540586;image

http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/world/russia/tu-136.htm
"Work conducted KB Tupolev during the second half of the 50s for hypersonic aircraft, showed the possibility of establishing a manned aerospace plane (according to the then accepted terminology - "rocket plane"). The theme for the CB received designation plane "136" (TU -136), the official designation of the theme was "The Star" - Zvezda. The topic covered a wide range of problems associated with the creation of an experimental aircraft adapted to perform military tasks, while it is in near space.

If successful development of the piloted system, in the future it was anticipated to move to create on its basis a series of rocket planes for military purposes: reconnaissance, missile-carrying bombers, interceptors enemy satellites. Over such a universal missile and space project on the basis of their heavy UR rockets it worked well and the OKB-52 . The program's success was to stimulate work on the creation of large reusable videoconferencing capable, after performing tasks in space back to Earth with a landing on conventional airfields. "

"The creation of the rocket plane "Zvezda" was supposed to be divided into three consecutive phases, as previously it was necessary to examine the mission specifics at hypersonic speeds in the lower and upper layers of the atmosphere, to study the conditions of entry into the lower layers of the atmosphere, landing on the ground, as well as to create a design that is capable to work in conditions of strong kinetic heating. Research on rocket planes are largely consonant with the works on the program of creation of a "unit DP " ( "130") and go as their development and a logical extension.

The first phase was supposed to use unmanned aerial vehicles, according to the configuration corresponding to the future rocket planes (model with a solid engine that runs Tu-16). They had to learn the hypersonic flight zone, work design elements, capable of operating at high temperatures (up to the speed of 9000 km / h, ceilings up to 40,000 m). At the same time we had to launch a rocket plane models using rocket launchers P-5 and P-14 (14,000 km / h, m and 45000 23000-28000 km / h, 90,000 m, respectively).

The second stage was supposed to go to work on manned hypersonic aircraft. The objective of the second phase was - the development of human specificity testing of hypersonic flight and landing on the aircraft, according to a configuration similar to the future rocket planes. Testing of manned flight at low speed was planned to carry out with the help of aircraft "136/1", a reduced scale copies of the rocket plane. The plane "136/1" was supposed to start with the aircraft carrier Tu-95K . Tests this aircraft had to occur at speeds up to 1000 km / h, an altitude of 10,000 meters and at a number of speeds of about 300 km / h, which corresponded to the planting regimes rocket plane.

The development of human features of hypersonic flight was supposed to take place by means of the aircraft " 139 " (an analogue of the American experimental aircraft X-15 ), the start had to be carried out with the Tu-95K. The plane "139" would allow for a manned mission to the maximum speed of 8,000 km / h and a ceiling of up to 200,000 m at landing speeds of 300 km / h.

Final testing of manned flight at hypersonic, transonic and subsonic speeds with the subsequent landing was to take place using the "136/2" aircraft, modernized aircraft "136/1", equipped with an additional booster rocket stage. The plane "136/2" was supposed to fly at the maximum flight speed of up to 12,000 km / h and altitudes of the order of 100,000 m.

In the third and final phase of the program "Star", it was about building a rocket plane "136", designed to achieve a maximum speed of 28500 km / h, which corresponds to orbital speed, working heights range flight 50000-100000 m and range of not less than 40,000 km (one revolution around the earth, followed by planting) in the course of the aircraft "136" in the CB considered several options aerodynamic layout rocket plane. In the scheme were, I repeat the plane "130", the options that are close to the American project under the program "Dinah Soar". The most detailed study underwent an option on the "duck" scheme - put together machinery and installations for him, powerplant, landing gear and the crew of the means of salvation. "

"Variants of the two-stage and three-stage launch vehicles were considered capable of placing into Earth orbit loads with a mass corresponding to the aircraft "136". In addition, considering options output rocket plane into orbit by aerospace systems, the first step that represents a strategic supersonic aircraft ( " 135 " or "139"), and the second stage - a ballistic missile air-launched with rocketplane instead of the head of the warhead. Work on on "Star" in the KB continued until 1963, without departing from the scope of the research design study and preliminary designs, and were soon abandoned, and the KB moved on to development of an unmanned rocket plane - "137" (TU-137, "Sputnik")."
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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #180 on: July 31, 2017, 09:51:14 pm »
Hi! Tu-85 base intercontinental flying boat bomber project "504" colored side view.

http://alternathistory.com/mezhkontinentalnaya-letayushchaya-lodka-projekt-504-okb-tupolev-1951g

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