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Offline Antonio

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Big Gun submarines
« on: August 30, 2006, 02:16:25 am »
I have several volumes of US warships from Friedman and I would like to order US Submarines.
I have heard that there are some projects of Big Gun designs (similar to the french Surcouf). Anybody can give confirmation?. Are this designs illustrated?.
Are there any other little known designs on the book?.

That books are very expensive and I want to be sure before ordering ;)


Thanks a lot

Offline JC Carbonel

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Re: Big Gun submarines
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2006, 07:31:49 am »
I don't know about the book you mentionned but as far as I know there were only the following big gun subs :
- german project (Prototype) U-Kreuzer with one-gun battleship turrets where the normal deck gun would be
- british M-series
- french Surcouf (and associated concepts)
- I am not sure but maybe the japanese I-15 / 17 begun as cruiser-subs ?

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Re: Big Gun submarines
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2006, 03:27:23 am »
I have both volumes. Vol. 1 mentions a gigantic submarine battleship (illustrated) with four 12-inch guns (twin turrets) and a secondary battery of 4-inch guns (also in twin turrets)! It was supposed to have steam turbines for high surface speed.

Another large submarine cruiser is the US Argonaut-class (two 6-inch guns), also in Vol. 1.

During WWI the Germans designed a U-Cruiser with four 5.9-inch guns and two 3.46-inch guns (single mounts). During WWII there was the U-117 U-Cruiser with four 5-inch guns (twin turrets) and one seaplane. Again, never built.

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Re: Big Gun submarines
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2006, 04:23:21 pm »
Thanks a lot eltf177, that's what I wanted to know ;). I think I'll buy volume one because I have US post-war subs info in Cold War submarines


The description you give here it's incredible ::) ::)

Regards
Antonio
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Re: Big Gun submarines
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2006, 05:22:13 am »
There is this US project from 1920 as well.

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Re: Big Gun submarines
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2006, 01:46:44 pm »
There is this US project from 1920 as well.

This is the drawing you'll find in the Friedman book.

Also forgot to mention a design in Bryer's Soviet Navy book Vol. 1 which mentions a Russian submarine cruiser to have been built around 1917. It was to have carried two 5.1-inch guns in a twin retractible turret (very little other info about it).

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Re: Big Gun submarines
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2006, 02:26:13 pm »
Thanks a lot Red Admiral for this beast...the Typhoon of the 20's!! :o

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Re: Big Gun submarines
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2015, 01:40:52 pm »
- french Surcouf (and associated concepts)

'Associated concepts' sounds interesting.

Does anyone know where I should begin looking?

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Re: Big Gun submarines
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2015, 10:54:21 pm »
HMS X-1 (not an X-Craft!!!) built in 1920s. The guns were only 5.2" but mounted in twin enclosed turrets. For a time she was the largest submarine in the world. Very cool boat.

The British K-Class is also worth a look in, definitely cruiser submarines although the guns are less big.
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Re: Big Gun submarines
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2015, 01:18:15 am »
About German WW I cruiser subs we had a thread here:
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3963.15.html
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Re: Big Gun submarines
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2015, 11:29:56 am »
The K Boats is fabulous book, together with X1 by Branfill-Cook. Both recommended

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Re: Big Gun submarines
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2015, 09:10:17 pm »
Thanks for the recommendations - it is generally a quite interesting topic.

Does anyone know where I could find out more about French projects (e.g. related to Surcouf)?

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Re: Big Gun submarines
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2015, 09:46:56 am »
For a more modern take, there were serious proposals for placing a fixed vertical gun in a trident missile tube with guided projectiles. Another take was a traversalable gun (recoilless?) that rose to the surface of the missile tube.

NEMO work also proposed a traversable railgun in a missile tube, but then again NEMO also proposed a laser beam director in a tube as well.

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Re: Big Gun submarines
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2015, 10:27:59 am »
On a smaller scale, the TRIPLE-M/MURAENA system, proposed for the German-built U212/U214/U216 submarine family, has a recoilless gun (RMK 30), that is expanded from the submarine’s tower.

Link: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1672.msg134718.html#msg134718
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Re: Big Gun submarines
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2015, 12:18:03 pm »
For a more modern take, there were serious proposals for placing a fixed vertical gun in a trident missile tube with guided projectiles. Another take was a traversalable gun (recoilless?) that rose to the surface of the missile tube. [snip]

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