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NSSN Virginia-class - current status and future
« on: February 01, 2009, 05:46:57 pm »
Were there any other concepts for the NSSN before the Virginia-class configuration was approved?

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Re: NSSN Virginia-class - current status and future
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2009, 11:47:00 am »
Wow, someone's been posting a lot!

There were a lot of concepts for NSSN. A few of them tried for the more conventional approach, similar to what eventually became the Virginia. Some of them had a hull shape more in common with Russian designs, with the smoothed-over sail. A few others were more artists' conjecturals more than anything else with bizarre, "super-hydrodynamic" shapes and equipped with its own mini-fleet of seagoing unmanned vehicles.
It's a crappy self-made pic of a Lockheed Unmanned Combat Armed Rotorcraft (UCAR), BTW
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Re: NSSN Virginia-class - current status and future
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2009, 12:05:58 pm »
Wow, someone's been posting a lot!

There were a lot of concepts for NSSN. A few of them tried for the more conventional approach, similar to what eventually became the Virginia. Some of them had a hull shape more in common with Russian designs, with the smoothed-over sail. A few others were more artists' conjecturals more than anything else with bizarre, "super-hydrodynamic" shapes and equipped with its own mini-fleet of seagoing unmanned vehicles.

Thanks for the response. I recently discovered this web site and had many questions.  :) Where might I find information about the NSSN concepts?
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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2009, 11:28:10 pm »
PopSi and PopMech had some articles, but I cannot recall the specific issues.
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Re: NSSN Virginia-class - current status and future
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2009, 10:25:09 am »
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There were a lot of concepts for NSSN. A few of them tried for the more conventional approach, similar to what eventually became the Virginia. Some of them had a hull shape more in common with Russian designs, with the smoothed-over sail. A few others were more artists' conjecturals more than anything else with bizarre, "super-hydrodynamic" shapes and equipped with its own mini-fleet of seagoing unmanned vehicles.

The attached pic is taken from a cover of the Popsi magazine.
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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2009, 12:27:45 pm »
I think "All Hands" magazine ran a picture like that back then. I'll have to see if I still have it.

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Re: NSSN Virginia-class - current status and future
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2009, 03:22:08 pm »
Thank you fightingirish, whatever would we do without Popular Science magazine.  ;D
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Re: NSSN Virginia-class - current status and future
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2009, 05:48:54 pm »
I'm fairly sure that's not actually a pre-NSSN concept, but rather a concept for the Advanced Sail, which may show up in later years production of the  Virginia class.

For a survey of several other NSSN successor designs proposed back around 2002, see this PDF of an article from International Defense Review:

http://www.kentaurus.com/downloads/IDRSub.pdf

 

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Re: NSSN Virginia-class - current status and future
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2009, 02:25:15 am »
The Block III Virginia-class submarines which will feature a revised bow, including some technology from Ohio class SSGN's.

Block III bow mods
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Source: Defense Industry Daily - Virginia Block III: The Revised Bow - 21-Dec-2008 13:28 EST
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Re: NSSN Virginia-class - current status and future
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2009, 11:31:30 am »
I have to wonder if a Virginia can be used as an SSBN in that manner. I doubt a Trident would fit, but a purpose-designed missile would.
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Re: NSSN Virginia-class - current status and future
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2009, 09:19:23 pm »
I've looked all over and I can not find the US alphanumerical designation of the VLS system used in the Virginia-Class SSN. Does anyone here have a clue as to what it is?

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Re: NSSN Virginia-class - current status and future
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2009, 04:20:30 pm »
I've looked all over and I can not find the US alphanumerical designation of the VLS system used in the Virginia-Class SSN. Does anyone here have a clue as to what it is?

Unlike the Mk 41 designation for surface ship VLS, I don't believe there is a numerical designation for sub use.  They seem to simply be referred to as "Submarine VLS"  or "VLS tubes", because they're basically just tubes.

Starting with SSN 784 the 12 tubes of the previous VLS will be replaced by two of what's called the "Virginia Payload Tube".  This is very similar to the tubes in the Ohio SSGNs except that each tube will house six rather than seven missiles (the center will now house an access tube).   The VPT's can be loaded with modular systems (called canisters),  which will allow greater versatility relative to the pure VLS.  Don't know if this will have a designator. 


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Re: NSSN Virginia-class - current status and future
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2009, 08:54:42 am »
So the US Military has given up a chance to add a alphanumerical designation to a weapons system!?! :o

I never thought that could happen with their love of alphanumerical designation!

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Re: NSSN Virginia-class - current status and future
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2009, 11:13:49 am »
So the US Military has given up a chance to add a alphanumerical designation to a weapons system!?! :o

I never thought that could happen with their love of alphanumerical designation!

Since the Virginia VPT is so unique (unlike the Mk41 which was deployed on a variety of platforms and so basic, maybe they didn't thing a designator was necessary?  Now, one wonders if the canisters might get designators. 

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Re: NSSN Virginia-class - current status and future
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2009, 10:07:09 pm »
Virginia-class Batch 3 / Block IV