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Offline Mercurius Cantabrigiensis

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Thales Lightweight Multirole Missile
« on: June 01, 2008, 02:54:43 am »
Thales Air Defence - the company that was formerly Shorts - is about to announce a new missile programme. Known as the Lightweight Multi-Role Missile, it is apparently intended to take the company beyond its traditional field of light SAM systems. Details will be officially released on 2 June.


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Re: New UK missile by Thales
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2008, 10:35:50 am »
Thales (nee Short)has been marketing its Starstreak SAM as a multi-role weapon with an anti-armor capability for some time.  I would not be surprised if this "new" weapon turns out to  be essentially Starstreak II, possibly with a unitary warhead instead of the three darts of the anti-aircraft version.  That would eliminate a potential collateral damage issue, since Starstreak anticipates hits from only one or two darts.

http://www.janes.com/events/exhibitions/dsei2007/sections/daily/day1/starstreak-ii-sighted.shtml

http://www.army-guide.com/eng/article/article.php?forumID=246

Edit: I see the initial press reports are out now:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2008/06/02/224303/thales-reveals-new-lightweight-missile-for-uavs-helicopters.html

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http://www.shephard.co.uk/UVOnline/default.aspx?Action=-187126550&ID=cf5a5f51-1e4e-414a-b6a8-32d560861e99

Sounds like more or less what I expected: the Starburst tail section with a 3kg HE warhead up front.  Range is c. 8 km with a sped of about Mach 1.5.
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Re: New UK missile by Thales
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2009, 10:58:53 am »
Some pics
From defense update



From defensenews, a proposed septuple launcher for the Wildcat:



What is so amazing about this lightweight missile is the multiple ways it can be used, guided and launched. Guidance  ( also from defensenews):

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The weapon currently uses laser beam riding for guidance but Hill says work is under way in France on a low-cost, semi-active laser solution.

Production costs would have to be reduced to a few thousand pounds to make the semi-active laser an attractive proposition, but Thales officials say they would eventually like to see both laser guidance systems fitted to production missiles if possible.

An LMM with INS/GPS is another guidance option being considered. The weapon carries a blast fragmentation/shaped charge warhead weighing 3 kilograms. A modular warhead design is another possible option for the missile.

French magazine RAIDS claims that Thales would like to include all these forms of guidance in one seeker. I highly doubt if that is feasible.

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Re: New UK missile by Thales
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2009, 04:16:20 pm »
Is it just me or does the upper Lynx appear to have a Longbow type radar above its rotor head?

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Re: New UK missile by Thales
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2009, 04:30:15 pm »
Is it just me or does the upper Lynx appear to have a Longbow type radar above its rotor head?

That second helicopter in the picture is an Apache not a Lynx.
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Re: New UK missile by Thales
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2009, 05:12:31 pm »
At DSEi this year there was a 30mm gun mounting for a warship mounting by MSI Defence systems with a package of these missiles in a similar configuration to the one shown on the helos in the graphic above. They were in line with the gun barrel and appeared to be aimed at small surface targets.

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Re: New UK missile by Thales
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2009, 09:27:47 am »
Is it just me or does the upper Lynx appear to have a Longbow type radar above its rotor head?

That second helicopter in the picture is an Apache not a Lynx.

So it is, teach me to be on the internet after midnight ::).

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Re: New UK missile by Thales
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2009, 01:49:54 pm »
At DSEi this year there was a 30mm gun mounting for a warship mounting by MSI Defence systems with a package of these missiles in a similar configuration to the one shown on the helos in the graphic above. They were in line with the gun barrel and appeared to be aimed at small surface targets.

MSI Defence had previous revealed  a 30mm gun with a 19 round 70mm rocket pod. 

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Re: New UK missile by Thales
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2009, 02:30:55 pm »
I don't have the leaflets from DSEi to hand, but the condensed info I stuck on our database says of the MSI Seahawk gun mount derivatives:

"# An advanced option exists, called SIGMA (Stabilied Integrated Gun Missile Array). This is based on the Remote, A1 or A2 options with the addition of on-mount short range missiles.
# Missile options:

    * Thales Lightweight Multirole Missile x 7 - mount also carries the laser fire control unit,
    * MBDA Mistral x 3 (IR guidance),
    * An unguided rocket pod option has also been proposed.

Sources:
    * MSI and Thales product information leaflets.
    * Jane's Naval Weapon Systems, Issue 49."


LMM has been associated with the Sea Skua replacement Future Air to Surface Guided Weapon programme, with an IR guided Sea Skua 2 as a the "heavy" component of a two missile system. There's a picture and info here:

http://defense-update.com/products/f/fasgw.html

LMM has also been test fired from a static BAE Fury UAV, paper here:

http://www.baesystems.com/BAEProd/groups/public/documents/bae_publication/bae_pdf_cc_fury_uav_paper.pdf

In addition to LMM, DSEi also saw the display of Starstreak 2 - an updated missile with changes to improve effectiveness against targets such as UAVs. Ironically.

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Thales Lightweight Multirole Missile
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2019, 03:55:59 pm »


Looks interesting.
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Re: Thales Lightweight Multirole Missile
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2019, 09:12:59 pm »
Very nice promo, thanks for sharing.

Perhaps LMM will be the 21st Century "breakout programme" for Shorts Missiles/Thales Air Defence that SeaCat was in the 20th.

Moderators might want to merge this post with https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,4527.msg77297.html#msg77297, which details the start of the LMM programme.


Done, thanks for the clue !
« Last Edit: March 12, 2019, 10:36:42 pm by Jemiba »

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Re: Thales Lightweight Multirole Missile
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2019, 02:46:43 am »
So LMM is pretty much like ADATS, though too slow for chasing most fixed wings.

Why again should it be more successful?

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Re: Thales Lightweight Multirole Missile
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2019, 04:50:45 am »
So LMM is pretty much like ADATS, though too slow for chasing most fixed wings.

Why again should it be more successful?

It fits in the launcher for Starstreak HVM, but is better suited for attacking soft targets.
It's cheaper than HVM or Javelin too.
« Last Edit: March 12, 2019, 04:53:25 am by zen »

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Re: Thales Lightweight Multirole Missile
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2019, 06:50:32 am »
It's unlikely that this thing is cheaper than Starstreak, as this was really cheap for a ManPADS.

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Re: Thales Lightweight Multirole Missile
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2019, 07:33:01 am »
It's unlikely that this thing is cheaper than Starstreak, as this was really cheap for a ManPADS.

Why not?  LMM is basically the Starstreak motor with a unitary warhead instead of the multiple darts. 


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Re: Thales Lightweight Multirole Missile
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2019, 07:37:05 am »
So... they reinvented the RBS-70.