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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #285 on: December 04, 2018, 06:32:33 am »
Seems to be hard truth for the Spanish MoD:

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Currently there are two projects that aspire to be the eurocaza of the 21st century: the Franco-German program and the British Tempest, to which the Netherlands and Italy have joined. From the Ministry of Defense is convinced that both programs will eventually merge, given the huge investment that requires its development.

Despite this, and with the interest to participate in the project from its initial phase, Spain has decided to join the project of Paris and Berlin.

From KeyPub (original link from user Sintra here: http://www.defensa.gob.es/gabinete/notasPrensa/2018/12/DGC-181203-caza-europeo-ngws.html )

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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #286 on: December 04, 2018, 06:43:15 am »
The Spanish decision is pukka gen.

As for the Netherlands:  don't forget that most of the Cloggies' industrial participation in F-35 is now British-owned, since GKN bought Fokker Technologies.

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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #288 on: January 10, 2019, 06:21:40 am »
Tempest updates:

In IOC of F-35 press release:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/defence-secretary-sets-sights-on-next-century-of-british-air-power

IOC stated as being hoped for in 2035, although related graphic shows it may slide right (see attached, although it also seems to indicate Typhoon in service since 1980s!)

Also, statement on full range of FCAS TI projects (and much else too - only 40 Typhoons with E-Scan, Canada pinching shipyard workers for Type 26 etc.):

http://data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/defence-committee/work-of-des/written/93913.html

"A nine-year funded programme of record exists for the FCAS TI, of which the Team Tempest project is a subset. This programme consists of three main elements; PYRAMID (an Open Mission Systems Initiative); National Projects; and International Projects. Team Tempest is a part of the National Projects element and is jointly funded by the MOD and industry. All other FCAS TI activities are currently solely funded by the MOD. The MOD is contributing c.2 billion to the FCAS TI programme."

Note that it is not the case that 2 billion is being paid by MoD for a plane called Tempest.
 
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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #289 on: January 10, 2019, 07:53:23 am »
Another picture from today.

Emphasises just how low slung the model is.

For weapons loading presumably 'robots' is the answer!  :o
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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #290 on: January 10, 2019, 10:01:36 am »
Another picture from today.

Emphasises just how low slung the model is.

For weapons loading presumably 'robots' is the answer!  :o

Really short robots.... something else for them to inevitably hold against us...

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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #291 on: January 10, 2019, 05:16:09 pm »
...'excuse me mister, is that plane for real'...!!!

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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #292 on: January 11, 2019, 11:33:06 am »
Tempest updates:

In IOC of F-35 press release:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/defence-secretary-sets-sights-on-next-century-of-british-air-power

IOC stated as being hoped for in 2035, although related graphic shows it may slide right (see attached, although it also seems to indicate Typhoon in service since 1980s!)

Is it just me or is that Tempest silhouette in fact Replica?

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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #293 on: January 11, 2019, 12:42:11 pm »
Seems to be. The whole graphic seems like an intern went unsupervised.

Not seen any document it came from, apart from a video on Twitter.
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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #294 on: January 11, 2019, 12:47:36 pm »
So per that time-line the “Tempest” (or at least what ever aircraft emerges from this investment and development effort) is intend to go into service approx 2040.
While it would be foolish too read to much into a press-release it does put some enthusiasts hopes/ expectations of a much shorter development schedule in context and does show we are in very early lets-see-what-happens stages rather than a hell-for-leather race to develop and fly a particular (UK only) airframe and systems.

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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #295 on: January 11, 2019, 01:53:55 pm »
I think the graphic is just badly drawn. I don't think much should be read into it.

A shame as MoD info on this has been pretty sharp so far, although the BAE model has led to some confusion.
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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #296 on: January 18, 2019, 04:02:49 pm »
It amazes me that people read so much into the Tempest model.

It was based on that concept (of many competing concepts, several of which are still under active consideration) for the convenience of the model makers, and perhaps because that concept seemed the most promising at the time they had to design the mock up. By the time it was revealed, other concepts may have been judged more promising.

It was sized (including height off the ground) for transport and assembly requirements, and to fit within the constrained dimensions of marquees and exhibition spaces.

The eventual manned platform within FCAS is most unlikely to look anything like the Tempest model. And even if that concept does end up forming the basis of the eventual FCA it will not be exactly that size, or shape.


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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #297 on: January 24, 2019, 04:42:49 am »
http://www.anigrand.com/AA2138_Tempest.htm ... hmm, the parts as shown look to be oddly proportioned, inaccurate and not representative of the mockup aircraft as built, truly a missed opportunity, it seems a bit on the expensive side too :(

I hope to have a more accurate kit avaliable through SpotOn resins very soon based upon the actual aircraft mockups (I am at the stage of cleaning up masters from accurate 3D printed forms)


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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #298 on: February 15, 2019, 05:22:52 pm »
https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2019/02/15/taking-sides-italian-defense-industry-rep-attacks-franco-german-fighter-deal/

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Italy would do well to sign up with the U.K. to work on the British future fighter known as Tempest

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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #299 on: February 16, 2019, 03:28:57 am »
https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2019/02/15/taking-sides-italian-defense-industry-rep-attacks-franco-german-fighter-deal/

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Italy would do well to sign up with the U.K. to work on the British future fighter known as Tempest

I do hope that Italy stay's with Team Tempest and not getting cold feet and going over to the France German fighter program.