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Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« on: July 16, 2018, 04:06:04 am »
I might be slightly premature, but this appears to be a system that they want flying alongside the F35 and Typhoon by 2035, with DEW, flexible weapons and cockpit and not so challenging as to raise costs or delay entry into service.

Also open to other partners but primarily made for the UK and produced by Team Tempest: RR, Leonardo, MBDA and BAE Systems.

AVM Rochelle is quoted as saying: "Funding is real. We are working at pace."

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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2018, 04:10:34 am »
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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2018, 04:13:38 am »
UK Combat Air Strategy is out:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/combat-air-strategy-an-ambitious-vision-for-the-future

I can also now say I acted as an Independent Scientific & Technical Advice (ISTA) register member to MOD on this, as well as leading a public project for the Low Cost by Design network already posted on the FCAS thread.

Fascinating stuff. Will appear in the archives in 20 years!
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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2018, 04:14:54 am »
But will there be a book in 20 years too? :)

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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2018, 04:19:22 am »
From the government publication:



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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2018, 04:25:06 am »
But will there be a book in 20 years too? :)
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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2018, 04:35:23 am »
I can't help but feel I have seen this design before though. Not recently, but before. Can anyone help?


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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2018, 04:59:25 am »
I'd be wary of reading too much into a plastic mock-up. I must admit, I was expecting an announcement of joining the Franco-German effort rather than an attempt to revive a home-grown design.
The media are jumping all over this as Britain's new fighter, but if you listen to what Gavin Williamson says, its actually only a concept and is a shrewd political move to show willingness to collaborate. The mock-up is a nice PR item but I feel we'll look back on this in 20 years the same as the BAe P.110 mock-up back in the 80s.

Team Tempest was formed back in April to develop a low-cost UCAS demonstrator building previous work which included Taranis. Since then with all the talk of European fighters the emphasis has obviously shifted to something that can be optionally manned. I wonder how much of TF-X is in this design (maybe that's why this mock-up looks so familiar?)
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/team-tempest-pursues-ucas-demonstrator-deal-447301/
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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2018, 05:01:59 am »
I'd be wary of reading too much into a plastic mock-up. I must admit, I was expecting an announcement of joining the Franco-German effort rather than an attempt to revive a home-grown design.
The media are jumping all over this as Britain's new fighter, but if you listen to what Gavin Williamson says, its actually only a concept and is a shrewd political move to show willingness to collaborate. The mock-up is a nice PR item but I feel we'll look back on this in 20 years the same as the BAe P.110 mock-up back in the 80s.

Team Tempest was formed back in April to develop a low-cost UCAS demonstrator building previous work which included Taranis. Since then with all the talk of European fighters the emphasis has obviously shifted to something that can be optionally manned. I wonder how much of TFX is in this design (maybe that's why this mock-up looks so familiar?)
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/team-tempest-pursues-ucas-demonstrator-deal-447301/

It looks more like the project we are trying to partner with the Swedes on rather than Germany & France.

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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2018, 05:11:26 am »
My take on it is that it is funded, with a production decision to be made by 2020 with the finery of R&D being done in the meantime.

2035 IOC is the official line.

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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2018, 05:33:42 am »
Interesting... however how likely is this to ever materialise as a pure British project in mind of the Brexit and after France and Germany decided to go ahead with their joint effort?
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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2018, 07:10:09 am »
But will there be a book in 20 years too? :)
The rate I write at.....!  ???

Beat me to it!

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