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Offline hesham

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Daimler-Benz Strange Airplane of 1943-1945
« on: May 20, 2018, 07:30:36 am »
My dear Tophe discovered this amazing aircraft,and he suggested it was a racer airplane
looks like FW.190,any idea ?.

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=FR&NR=902705A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19450911&DB=fr.worldwide.espacenet.com&locale=en_EP

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Re: Daimler-Benz Strange Airplane of 1943-1945
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2018, 08:37:46 am »
Well, the patent description says the fuselage construction is for any aircraft with small transverse section, for example a fighter.  The drawing does look more like a racer.

Here is another patent by Bela Barenyi for the design of cockpits, observers cupolas and gunners turrets

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=FR&NR=902601A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19450905&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#

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Re: Daimler-Benz Strange Airplane of 1943-1945
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2018, 09:23:14 am »
Thank you my dear Schneiderman.

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Re: Daimler-Benz Strange Airplane of 1943-1945
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2018, 03:17:31 am »
Hi
Some patents from Bela Barenyi / Daimler.

Patent Nr. DE890757
Anordnung des Fernwellenträgers an Flugzeugen mit Fernantrieb der Luftschrauben
(armed seaplane)
Year 1944

DE879962
Mehrmotoriges Flugzeug mit zu beiden Seiten des Rumpfes angeordneten Luftschrauben
(bomber)
Year 1943

DE901136
Flugzeuge mit mehreren zu beiden Seiten des Rumpfes angeordneten Luftschrauben
(fighter and bomber)
Year 1943

DE857158
Insbesondere Freitragend ausgebildeter Bedienungs bzw. Kampfstand für Flugzeuge
(cockpit)
Year 1943

https://depatisnet.dpma.de/DepatisNet/depatisnet?action=einsteiger

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Re: Daimler-Benz Strange Airplane of 1943-1945
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2018, 03:44:43 am »
Thanks for sharing of these patents!

There was at least one supporter (perhaps, unintentional) of Barenyi ideas in aircraft structures - Richard Vogt, who frequently impemented tubular main spar to it's aircraft. In BV 144 this tubular spar became not only the main structural elemnt of wing and fuel tank - but the axis of variable incidence as well.

Mr. Barenyi seems to be a great car designer, but I wonder what connection he has to aviatio, and Daimler-Benz comapnay, during WW2?
The company, in turn well-known for aircraft engines, lathough their aircraft' project looks weird, IMHO

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Re: Daimler-Benz Strange Airplane of 1943-1945
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2018, 06:34:25 am »
Thank you my dear Moin1900.

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Re: Daimler-Benz Strange Airplane of 1943-1945
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2018, 12:47:20 pm »
Patent Nr. DE844406
Title: Kühlvorrichtung an Flugzeugen mit mehreren Antriebsmaschinen
Year: 1942
(aircraft with four engines and contra-rotating propellers)

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Re: Daimler-Benz Strange Airplane of 1943-1945
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2018, 12:29:51 am »
Thanks for sharing of these patents!

There was at least one supporter (perhaps, unintentional) of Barenyi ideas in aircraft structures - Richard Vogt, who frequently impemented tubular main spar to it's aircraft. In BV 144 this tubular spar became not only the main structural elemnt of wing and fuel tank - but the axis of variable incidence as well.

Mr. Barenyi seems to be a great car designer, but I wonder what connection he has to aviatio, and Daimler-Benz comapnay, during WW2?
The company, in turn well-known for aircraft engines, lathough their aircraft' project looks weird, IMHO

This patent is quite a while after B&V started its love affair with the tubular spar wing. I wonder if the influence went the other way. I've also seen this idea discussed in Soviet literature just prior to WW2, but I'm not sure if the soviet engineers were pulling this idea from Blohm or if it was an independent invention.

Although what sticks out to me this patent is the cockpit and some of the other structures - they look like they are built up from stamped part that are built up and then welded/bolted onto the steel tubes. Heinkel and Messerschmitt both experimented with this idea of built up structures from stampings but not to the extent present in this patent.

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Re: Daimler-Benz Strange Airplane of 1943-1945
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2018, 07:22:45 am »
Patent Nr. DE844406
Title: Kühlvorrichtung an Flugzeugen mit mehreren Antriebsmaschinen
Year: 1942
(aircraft with four engines and contra-rotating propellers)

I can't get the drawings.

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Re: Daimler-Benz Strange Airplane of 1943-1945
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2018, 09:18:12 am »
Here it is :


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Re: Daimler-Benz Strange Airplane of 1943-1945
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2018, 10:36:22 am »
Here it is :

Thank you my dear Richard.