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Offline Hood

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Leonardo M-346 FA
« on: February 23, 2017, 05:27:56 am »
Leonardo are working on a fighter/attack variant of the M-346 mainly for training but also with operational capability.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/leonardo-sets-sights-on-strike-roled-m-346-fa-434448/

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Re: Leonardo M-346 FA
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2017, 06:25:54 am »
Nice find Hood.  Sort of reminds me of the Hawk 200 in principle but with twin seats.   Wonder how many orders Leonardo will get?

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Re: Leonardo M-346 FA
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2017, 03:27:04 am »
The M-346 FA has been unveiled at Paris.

I guess you could see this as an AMX replacement too.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/paris-leonardo-takes-wraps-off-m-346fa-fighter-438341/

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Re: Leonardo M-346 FA
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2017, 05:06:23 am »
The M-346 FA has been unveiled at Paris.

I guess you could see this as an AMX replacement too.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/paris-leonardo-takes-wraps-off-m-346fa-fighter-438341/

I wonder if Brazil will be buying any?  Since they have the AMX too.

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Re: Leonardo M-346 FA
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2017, 12:03:51 pm »
Brazil is (slowly) putting its AMX fleet through a comprehensive upgrade so I doubt they'd be a customer.

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Re: Leonardo M-346 FA
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2017, 02:51:25 am »
Brazil is (slowly) putting its AMX fleet through a comprehensive upgrade so I doubt they'd be a customer.

Would it not be best for Brazil to buy at least a single squadron of the M-346 FA to compliment AMX?

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Re: Leonardo M-346 FA
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2017, 02:58:22 am »
Brazil is (slowly) putting its AMX fleet through a comprehensive upgrade so I doubt they'd be a customer.

Would it not be best for Brazil to buy at least a single squadron of the M-346 FA to compliment AMX?
No money....

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Re: Leonardo M-346 FA
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2017, 10:31:16 am »

Would it not be best for Brazil to buy at least a single squadron of the M-346 FA to compliment AMX?

Why?

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Re: Leonardo M-346 FA
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2017, 11:01:02 am »
Brazil's air force is spending it's limited budget on the Gripen program, and with the Super Tucano - AMX - Gripen combo, I think their bases are pretty well covered.

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Re: Leonardo M-346 FA
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2017, 04:08:40 pm »

Would it not be best for Brazil to buy at least a single squadron of the M-346 FA to compliment AMX?

Why?

To clarify, the AMX was a joint Italy/ Brazil project.
The M-346 is not and has no apparent connection to Brazil.

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Re: Leonardo M-346 FA
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2017, 12:31:50 pm »
I'm assuming the airframe and engines are pretty much the same? 

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Re: Leonardo M-346 FA
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2017, 12:01:18 am »
The Leonardo M-346 is really the Yakovlev Yak-130, no matter what the marketing department tries to gloss over.
So there is no involvement of Brazil, and minimal commonality with any previous Macchi planes.

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Re: Leonardo M-346 FA
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2017, 12:08:53 am »
As a result of the early cooperation between what is now Leonardo and Yakovlev the two aircraft certainly look similar but in truth they are very different; different engines, different avionics etc.

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Re: Leonardo M-346 FA
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2017, 12:38:20 am »
Hmmm, "early cooperation" is not as I remember things. I'm willing to be corrected, but IIRC Yakovlev developped the Yak-130 (originally Yak-UTS in 1991) on its own in response to a Russian AF requirement. Period. No involvement of Macchi.
Then in 1993 with the Yetsin-era collapse of budgets and economy in Russia, OKB Yakolev needed outside support and went out to find a western partner.

This being said, I understand fully that the Macchi-marketed version has incorporated as many local components as they can, and I also understand Leonardo's marketing department in rewriting history to a more flattering version.  We just don't have to swallow all of it.

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Re: Leonardo M-346 FA
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2017, 12:43:35 am »
Dan, your summation is correct.