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Offline Andrewjs2007

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« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2007, 02:49:40 am »
Dear All


I have vague but persistent memories from early 1980s of one of those "part-works" being published which showed a side-view of the Caproni-Vizzola F.7. This may have been a mis-remembering I suppose, it was a long time ago, but it has stayed with me over the years.

I suppose it may have been an F.6 or a Delta powered variant I remember seeing but it definitely was talking about the F.7.

Andrew

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Re: Aeronautica d'Italia (FIAT) G-52
« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2007, 03:01:47 am »
The C.R. stands for Celestino Rosatelli, similar to the G in G.50 standing for  Gabrielli, the Z in Z.501 standing for Zappata, the MC in MC.200 standing for Mario Castoldi (sometimes just C.)

The Caproni-Vizzola F.6Z had the Isotta-Fraschini Zeta engine. More or less a double Delta engine in an X configuration. It was aircooled and produced 1250hp with a two-stage supercharger... I think. The Italian wikipedia page on Reggiane projects speaking of the Re 2004 (also Zeta engined) states that it was turbocharged and liquid cooled. This doesn't agree with anything I've seen previously - if liquid cooled where is the radiator on the F.6Z? and Italian turbochargers???

The CR.35 looks like it might have been the fastest biplane ever....but that isn't saying much.

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Re: Aeronautica d'Italia (FIAT) G-52
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2007, 06:28:35 am »
Er, no... C.R. stands for Caccia Rosatelli, (B.R. is Bombardiere Rosatelli, an F.R. , like in the F.R. 23, Fotografico Rosatelli, photorecon).
The Zeta was a coupled Isotta Fraschini Gamma, not Delta.
C.S. 38 (Caccia Stiavelli, but C.S. 15 is Corsa Stiavelli...), ok, but I'll do a new post with some pre G-55 design too. They are worth of it...

The F-7 had a DB-605, AFAIK.
Will check for the Re-2004. This evening.
« Last Edit: September 12, 2007, 09:57:31 am by Skybolt »

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Re: Aeronautica d'Italia (FIAT) G-52
« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2007, 10:12:29 am »
Hi dear skybolt,

But I heard that the Fiat CR.23 was fighter bomber.

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Re: Aeronautica d'Italia (FIAT) G-52
« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2007, 01:10:33 am »
Sure, the R-23 project was a multipurpose airplane. There we FR, BR and CR versions. The idea is the same as the Breda BZ-301, 302, and 303 (same basic design derived from the CANT Z-1018) and of a Caproni-Taliedo project (I cannot say more, unfortunately..  ;) )

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Re: Aeronautica d'Italia (FIAT) G-52
« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2007, 10:01:55 am »
Checked on the Re-2004: the engine was to be the I.F. Zeta like on the F-6MZ. Only difference was in the intended configuration of the exhausts. In the Re-2004 they were grouped in a single row on each side of the engine cover. This could have mislead someone in thinking there was a liquid cooling. AFAIK, all late war X-configuration I.F. engines projects were air-cooled (Sigma included, that was to give 1900 HP...  ::) )

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Re: Aeronautica d'Italia (FIAT) G-52
« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2007, 10:11:28 am »
Sure, the R-23 project was a multipurpose airplane. There we FR, BR and CR versions. The idea is the same as the Breda BZ-301, 302, and 303 (same basic design derived from the CANT Z-1018) and of a Caproni-Taliedo project (I cannot say more, unfortunately..  ;) )

May I ask why you can't say more?


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Re: Aeronautica d'Italia (FIAT) G-52
« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2007, 03:06:52 pm »
Writing a book on it  ;)

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Re: Aeronautica d'Italia (FIAT) G-52
« Reply #23 on: September 12, 2007, 04:17:38 pm »
Writing a book on it  ;)

Splendid news!

Is it just on Fiat designs or is it the long hoped for 'Italian Secret Projects'? That is a book that I for one would buy!

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Re: Aeronautica d'Italia (FIAT) G-52
« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2007, 12:46:32 am »
Dear Skybolt

Just wanted to say many thanks for your excellent on-going submissions to the list.

I think there's quite a few of us here who look forward to your forthcoming book!


Andrew


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Re: Aeronautica d'Italia (FIAT) G-52
« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2007, 01:36:47 am »
The idea is something on late-war (circa 1942-1944) Italian projects. This time period hasn't been well covered by historians (apart the occasional sensationalistic item, like the mixed propulsion aircrafts), probably because they judged what was going on knowing what happened (the Armistice etc.), so even interesting concept was deemed flight of fantasy. If the German design activity had received the same type of attention, everything from 1943 on would have been considered trash. But the Italian designer and Regia generals and technicians weren't fancy dreamer, they really thought that their work would have been useful.

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Re: Aeronautica d'Italia (FIAT) G-52
« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2007, 05:08:48 am »
That sounds extremely interesting - any idea when the manuscript will be complete?


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Re: Aeronautica d'Italia (FIAT) G-52
« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2007, 05:54:40 am »
It's a long way to Tipperary...

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Re: Aeronautica d'Italia (FIAT) G-52
« Reply #28 on: September 13, 2007, 09:31:23 am »
It's a long way to Tipperary...

Well, best of luck with it and please keep us posted!

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Re: Aeronautica d'Italia (FIAT) G-52
« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2007, 07:20:54 am »
My dear skybolt,

I know that the Avia (later Lombardi) CO.2 single seat
fighter was submitted to interceptor competition of 1938-
1939,was that right ?.