Register here

Author Topic: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects  (Read 19500 times)

Offline hesham

  • Senior Member
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • **
  • Posts: 22832
Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2014, 06:11:07 am »
Yes my dear Toura,


I have that book,but I hope to get a drawing to SO.6010.

Offline Jemiba

  • Global Moderator
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • ****
  • Posts: 7938
Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2014, 09:45:11 am »
The SO.6000 was developed purely as an experimental aircraft, with the ability to use
quite a number of different jet engines. That probably was the main reason for the relatively
bulky fuselage, that easily allowed for side-by-side seating of the 2-men crew. I don't
think, that a straight forward development into a single seat fighter would have been
as easy,as with, say the Arsenal VG 70. The fuselage would have to be completely new,
I think, with just the wing and maybe empenage to be used, so the idea may not have been
long lived.
On the other hand the original aircraft may have led itself to an easy adoption as a light
and fast communications aircraft, with the fuselage elongated to make room for 4 seats !
Pure speculation, of course ....   ;)
« Last Edit: May 19, 2014, 10:41:37 pm by Jemiba »
It takes a long time, before all mistakes are made ...

Offline hesham

  • Senior Member
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • **
  • Posts: 22832
Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2014, 01:31:58 pm »
Thank you my dear Jemiba,


and good speculation.

Offline Skyblazer

  • Global Moderator
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • ****
  • Posts: 13244
Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #33 on: May 19, 2014, 02:12:04 pm »
On the other hand the original aircraft may have led itself to an easy adoption as a light
and fast communications aircraft, with the fuselage elongated to make room for 4 seats !
Pure speculation, of course ....   ;)

Nice, but I somehow find it strange that a purely speculative project, with no basis in reality whatsoever, should wind up in the Postwar Projects section, and most of all from a moderator!  :o

Offline Jemiba

  • Global Moderator
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • ****
  • Posts: 7938
Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2014, 09:01:21 pm »
... and good speculation.

The sketch was speculation, but my point was, that modifying the SO.6000 into
a fighter wasn't very likely, to my opinion, at best into a light transport.
(Have deleted it, could have led to confusion and misinterpretation, sorry)
« Last Edit: May 19, 2014, 10:42:40 pm by Jemiba »
It takes a long time, before all mistakes are made ...

Offline Skyblazer

  • Global Moderator
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • ****
  • Posts: 13244
Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #35 on: May 20, 2014, 12:28:27 am »
(Have deleted it, could have led to confusion and misinterpretation, sorry)

Make sure to repost it in the "User artwork" section, where it has every reason to be! (and link it from here maybe, so that this thread's readers will know what we're talking about...). ;)

Offline hesham

  • Senior Member
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • **
  • Posts: 22832
Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #36 on: May 28, 2014, 06:24:59 am »
From AFM magazine,


here is the SNCASO SO.1340 & SO.1350 drawings.

Offline hesham

  • Senior Member
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • **
  • Posts: 22832
Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #37 on: December 31, 2015, 04:31:13 am »
From Le Fana 473,

here is a drawings to SNCASO Dever;

http://www.sharkit.com/sharkit/dever/dever.htm

Offline Grey Havoc

  • Senior Member
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • **
  • Posts: 8108
  • The path not taken.
Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #38 on: December 31, 2015, 04:42:52 am »
From Le Fana 473,

here is a drawings to SNCASO Dever;

http://www.sharkit.com/sharkit/dever/dever.htm

Very Dan Dare, there (pardon the pun!).
The sole imperative of a government, once instituted, is to survive.

Offline Pioneer

  • Senior Member
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • **
  • Posts: 1590
  • Seek out and close with the enemy
Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #39 on: December 31, 2015, 09:32:20 pm »
From Le Fana 473,

here is a drawings to SNCASO Dever;

http://www.sharkit.com/sharkit/dever/dever.htm

Putting a lot of faith in that one air-to-air missile, as the principle means of air defence, for the expenditure of so much energy! Makes the English Electric Lightning look overly armed  :o

Regards
Pioneer
And remember…remember the glory is not the exhortation of war, but the exhortation of man.
Mans nobility, made transcendent in the fiery crucible of war.
Faithfulness and fortitude.
Gentleness and compassion.
I am honored to be your brother.”

— Lt Col Ralph Honner DSO M

Offline dan_inbox

  • Senior Member
  • CLEARANCE: Secret
  • **
  • Posts: 488
  • Profanity: weaker mind trying to speak forcefully
Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #40 on: January 01, 2016, 11:47:23 am »
A missile only was the normal armament of mixed-production point defense interceptors then.
The Dever (Décollage Vertical, ie VTO) is basically an evolution of the Trident, which also had a single missile.


In France there is a rumor that it was the Israelis who insisted that their Mirage III got cannons, because they couldn't afford such expensive ammunition as the Matra missiles.


BTW, astute observers may notice why the the Dever concept was not successful : there is no system for landing...

Offline Pioneer

  • Senior Member
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • **
  • Posts: 1590
  • Seek out and close with the enemy
Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #41 on: January 01, 2016, 03:51:14 pm »
Quote
In France there is a rumor that it was the Israelis who insisted that their Mirage III got cannons, because they couldn't afford such expensive ammunition as the Matra missiles.

Very interesting thanks dan_inbox

Regards
Pioneer
And remember…remember the glory is not the exhortation of war, but the exhortation of man.
Mans nobility, made transcendent in the fiery crucible of war.
Faithfulness and fortitude.
Gentleness and compassion.
I am honored to be your brother.”

— Lt Col Ralph Honner DSO M

Offline Skyblazer

  • Global Moderator
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • ****
  • Posts: 13244
Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #42 on: May 26, 2016, 01:52:02 am »
BTW, astute observers may notice why the the Dever concept was not successful : there is no system for landing...

Not just that. I guess you couldn't just launch those babies from any regular tarmac, or you'd have to replace your airstrips every time!!

Very Dan Dare, there (pardon the pun!).

You are thorougly pardoned (at least by me). I'm a sucker for good puns... and even lame ones!

Offline Grey Havoc

  • Senior Member
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • **
  • Posts: 8108
  • The path not taken.
Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #43 on: May 26, 2016, 02:05:32 am »
 ;D
The sole imperative of a government, once instituted, is to survive.

Offline hesham

  • Senior Member
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • **
  • Posts: 22832
Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #44 on: September 14, 2017, 05:54:01 am »
From Le Fana 142,

here is the early drawings to SNCASO SO.4000.