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SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« on: July 02, 2006, 10:57:25 am »
here is anther projects I don't know them,

SNCASO E-1910;SO-1340 and SO-1350.
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Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2006, 11:14:30 am »
Dear Jemiba,

do you know the SNCASO SO-1070 dive bomber project.

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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2006, 12:19:23 pm »
No, just the SO.1010/1020/1030 dive bomber projects, thanks to the
excellent "Bestiaire" of J.C. Carbonel ,
http://modelarchives.free.fr/Bestiaire/Pique_P/index.html, on
which I have a look several times a week, always hoping to find something
new   ;) .
... and you meant "SO", didn't you ?
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Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2006, 11:59:38 am »
Hi,

yes I mean SO,because the logical series of this company after the 1000
was began with 1010 and ended in 1120.

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Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2006, 12:50:23 pm »
From my dear Jemiba,

there were two projects for the primary attempts to design supersonic bomber:

SNCASO SO.4070 :three engined delta wing Mach 3 supersonic bomber project.

SNCASO SO.4080 :twin engined mounted at the edge of each wing                                 
                          Mach 3 supersonic bomber.
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Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2007, 11:46:38 am »
My dear Jemiba,

thank you and can I ask you about anther french transport aircraft project,
it was mentioned in the site which I send it to you today,it is SNCASO-96.

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Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2007, 12:07:33 pm »
The SO.96 was described in the last issue of the AFM (no, not Airforces Monthly,
but Aviation Francais Magazine ). It was a project for a jet powered version of the
SO.90 with four unspecified jet engines.
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Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2007, 08:35:02 am »



            Thank you my dear Jemiba.

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Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2007, 09:27:02 am »
Hi,

Does anyone know that fighter project to SNCASO ?.

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Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2007, 11:25:39 am »
Very interesting discovery indeed !
Seems to be twin engined, with intakes similar to the SO 6160,
the intake in the nose, but divided by the nose cone. General
layout similar to the Nord Harpon. Where do you found it ?
I saw such a perspex model of a SNCASO design before, I would
think, these were display models, not for windtunnel tests.
We need more informations !   ;)
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Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2007, 02:15:10 pm »
Flight :17 June 1955 (page 835)
 
Sud Ouest fighter proposal.

Maybe more info in : Les Avions de Combat Français 1944-60 Chasse-Assaut.Jean Cuny. ?

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Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2007, 10:54:58 am »
"Flight :17 June 1955 (page 835)
 
Sud Ouest fighter proposal.

Maybe more info in : Les Avions de Combat Français 1944-60 Chasse-Assaut.Jean Cuny. ?"

Ah, and there's the mentioned heli model, too. But no more
information, not even in the Cuny. At least we know the
approximate date of this design now. Perhaps someone has
a guess, for which program it was anticipated ? For the light
interceptor program of 1953, the SO  contender was the
so 9000/9050. And the program, that led to the Mirage III
started in 1956 ...
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Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2007, 11:37:42 am »
Tried to make a provisional 3-view today. Seems to me now,
that this design was smaller, than I thought at first. May well
be in a class with the Nord Harpon, I think, although that's just
a guess, of course, as there is no other indication for the size, as
the proportion of the canopy to the whole aircraft .
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Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2007, 05:24:00 pm »
I will see for the SNCASO project. Maybe a study for "Super Vautour" program.

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Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2008, 08:43:36 am »
Hi,

the SNCASO SO.60,the rival to SNCASE Caravelle jet airliner,
http://www.flightglobal.com/PDFArchive/View/1952/1952%20-%201351.html
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Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2009, 10:19:20 am »
The SO.96 was described in the last issue of the AFM (no, not Airforces Monthly, but Aviation Francais Magazine ). It was a project for a jet powered version of the SO.90 with four unspecified jet engines.
In Le Trait d'Union #245 (Mai-June 2009) is also presented this Sud-Ouest SO-96, 4-jet derivative of the piston-twin-engined SO-95 (the SO-95 being ordered in 1948). 3 pictures there, the one you posted Jemiba, a fuselage profile (without wing nor jet-pod), a detail from above (loads, tanks, seats). I may send scans by e-mail to the ones interested.

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Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2009, 10:40:53 am »
Hi,

the SNCASO SO.4070 and SO.4080.

(from Jean Cuny "Les Avions De Combat Francais 1944-1960" volume II,Docavia,
Please, specify the sources, Hesham !)
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Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2013, 02:07:08 pm »
The Sud-Aviation SO 60C jet airliner project (illustration from an old French magazine):

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Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2013, 10:31:50 am »
from "aviation magazine"

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« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2014, 08:20:07 am »
From Flieger Revue 4/1977,


here is a drawing to SNCASO SO.6000-04,why they called it SO.6000-N ?.

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Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2014, 08:44:49 am »
The Triton prototype is displayed at the Le Bourget museum.
This aircraft was designed in France in clandestinity during the German occupation of WWII by Lucien Servanty, who would later on become the lead designer of Concorde along with Bill Strang.
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Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2014, 09:15:53 am »
here is a drawing to SNCASO SO.6000-04,why they called it SO.6000-N ?.
This is because it has a Nene engine. The SO.6000 with Jumo engine was called SO.6000 J.
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« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2014, 09:29:16 am »
Hi Hesham
the first so 6000 will have a Rateau SRAI engine 1600kgp
but flow with a Jumo 004 B2 900 kgp and was named
so 6000 J

The number 2  so 6000d  flow with a RR Derwent V 1585 kgp

the numbers 3 4 5 flown with RR NENE 104 And was named SO 6000 N
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Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2014, 01:31:51 pm »
Thank you my dears C460 and Toura,


and there is anther info,in February 1949,SNCASO intended to develop the SO.6000
as interceptor but rejected in early stage.

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Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2014, 11:20:33 pm »
Hi Hasan
From "Les avions de combat Francais" Jean Cuny
Edition Lariviere

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Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2014, 01:26:13 am »
The SO 6005 as posted by Toura does not depict a variant of the Triton but a straight wing Espadon, as clearly explained in the caption.

The designation had initially been assigned to a projected production version of the Triton, then reused for this project.

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« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2014, 03:08:38 am »
Yes ! Thanks, Skyblazer, but, have you details of this initia
version please ?
PAULl

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« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2014, 03:19:17 am »
Yes ! Thanks, Skyblazer, but, have you details of this initia
version please ?
PAULl

Not at the moment I'm afraid.

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« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2014, 04:43:54 am »
Thank you my dear Toura,


and of course there is a mystery SNCASO SO.6010,which developed from SO.6000.

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« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2014, 06:00:00 am »
Hi Hasan
Loocking at "les avions de combat Français" I read
"the French air force don't know very well what they
want, so, the so 6010 never materialize .......
but I read also that the "Espadon" so 6020, in a first studie
have a Rateau SRA 1 engine .......................

PAUL

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« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2014, 06:11:07 am »
Yes my dear Toura,


I have that book,but I hope to get a drawing to SO.6010.

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« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2014, 09:45:11 am »
The SO.6000 was developed purely as an experimental aircraft, with the ability to use
quite a number of different jet engines. That probably was the main reason for the relatively
bulky fuselage, that easily allowed for side-by-side seating of the 2-men crew. I don't
think, that a straight forward development into a single seat fighter would have been
as easy,as with, say the Arsenal VG 70. The fuselage would have to be completely new,
I think, with just the wing and maybe empenage to be used, so the idea may not have been
long lived.
On the other hand the original aircraft may have led itself to an easy adoption as a light
and fast communications aircraft, with the fuselage elongated to make room for 4 seats !
Pure speculation, of course ....   ;)
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Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2014, 01:31:58 pm »
Thank you my dear Jemiba,


and good speculation.

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« Reply #33 on: May 19, 2014, 02:12:04 pm »
On the other hand the original aircraft may have led itself to an easy adoption as a light
and fast communications aircraft, with the fuselage elongated to make room for 4 seats !
Pure speculation, of course ....   ;)

Nice, but I somehow find it strange that a purely speculative project, with no basis in reality whatsoever, should wind up in the Postwar Projects section, and most of all from a moderator!  :o

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« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2014, 09:01:21 pm »
... and good speculation.

The sketch was speculation, but my point was, that modifying the SO.6000 into
a fighter wasn't very likely, to my opinion, at best into a light transport.
(Have deleted it, could have led to confusion and misinterpretation, sorry)
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« Reply #35 on: May 20, 2014, 12:28:27 am »
(Have deleted it, could have led to confusion and misinterpretation, sorry)

Make sure to repost it in the "User artwork" section, where it has every reason to be! (and link it from here maybe, so that this thread's readers will know what we're talking about...). ;)

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« Reply #36 on: May 28, 2014, 06:24:59 am »
From AFM magazine,


here is the SNCASO SO.1340 & SO.1350 drawings.

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« Reply #37 on: December 31, 2015, 04:31:13 am »
From Le Fana 473,

here is a drawings to SNCASO Dever;

http://www.sharkit.com/sharkit/dever/dever.htm

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« Reply #38 on: December 31, 2015, 04:42:52 am »
From Le Fana 473,

here is a drawings to SNCASO Dever;

http://www.sharkit.com/sharkit/dever/dever.htm

Very Dan Dare, there (pardon the pun!).
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« Reply #39 on: December 31, 2015, 09:32:20 pm »
From Le Fana 473,

here is a drawings to SNCASO Dever;

http://www.sharkit.com/sharkit/dever/dever.htm

Putting a lot of faith in that one air-to-air missile, as the principle means of air defence, for the expenditure of so much energy! Makes the English Electric Lightning look overly armed  :o

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Re: SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) projects
« Reply #40 on: January 01, 2016, 11:47:23 am »
A missile only was the normal armament of mixed-production point defense interceptors then.
The Dever (Décollage Vertical, ie VTO) is basically an evolution of the Trident, which also had a single missile.


In France there is a rumor that it was the Israelis who insisted that their Mirage III got cannons, because they couldn't afford such expensive ammunition as the Matra missiles.


BTW, astute observers may notice why the the Dever concept was not successful : there is no system for landing...

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« Reply #41 on: January 01, 2016, 03:51:14 pm »
Quote
In France there is a rumor that it was the Israelis who insisted that their Mirage III got cannons, because they couldn't afford such expensive ammunition as the Matra missiles.

Very interesting thanks dan_inbox

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« Reply #42 on: May 26, 2016, 01:52:02 am »
BTW, astute observers may notice why the the Dever concept was not successful : there is no system for landing...

Not just that. I guess you couldn't just launch those babies from any regular tarmac, or you'd have to replace your airstrips every time!!

Very Dan Dare, there (pardon the pun!).

You are thorougly pardoned (at least by me). I'm a sucker for good puns... and even lame ones!

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« Reply #43 on: May 26, 2016, 02:05:32 am »
 ;D
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« Reply #44 on: September 14, 2017, 05:54:01 am »
From Le Fana 142,

here is the early drawings to SNCASO SO.4000.

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« Reply #45 on: September 16, 2017, 01:54:47 am »
I don't remember where I've found this !!!

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« Reply #46 on: September 16, 2017, 05:01:22 am »
Nice find my dear Toura.

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« Reply #47 on: December 27, 2017, 04:57:45 am »
Hi,

the SNCASO SO.60,the rival to SNCASE Caravelle jet airliner,
http://www.flightglobal.com/PDFArchive/View/1952/1952%20-%201351.html

Now it seemed to be that,the SNCASO SO.60 was allocated twice,one of them
was developed from SO.50.

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« Reply #48 on: March 07, 2019, 05:06:49 am »
very strange,

in Ailes 10/1948,an article about SNCASO SO.6004,and I don't know if they meant the
SNACSO SO.6000-04 or what ?.

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« Reply #49 on: March 08, 2019, 12:07:54 am »
I suspect this text relates to the two famous photos attached below.
Panhard showed off their Dynavia car along a proto of the SNCASO SO-6000 Triton for a publicity stunt.
Where does the 6.004 come from? Maybe it's the 4th proto of the Triton?
Maybe the usual, erm,  variable level of care and understanding from a journo?

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« Reply #50 on: March 08, 2019, 04:36:40 am »
My dear Dan,

we must don't forget that,there was an interceptor Project version of Triton.