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Offline Foxglove

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Re: JH-XX ... China's stealthy fighter-bomber unveiled !
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2011, 05:14:34 pm »
Now that's a real spy-movie suspense that's developing here, like with the J-20 up to a point. A big thank you to Deino for this spook pic-it really came out of the blue, even though I've heard  the rumours of its development. Still, something tells me we are dealing with , again like with the J-20, a deliberate leak by the authorities. Call me stupid if, in the coming days/weeks we're not gonna see a steady trickle of more-and-more revealing shots.
Nonetheless, I'm already drooling for more on this one, plus the stealthified JF-17, J-19, J-16 and what have you. Even if they don't go into production, who cares, as long as they look cool?  
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Re: JH-XX ... China's stealthy fighter-bomber unveiled !
« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2011, 05:30:09 pm »

     The F-117 was made from aluminum.

Question: If you RCS optimize the shape but construct the aircraft from Aluminum, will it still reasonably reduce the RCS? I see a lot of rivets in that photo....

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Re: JH-XX ... China's stealthy fighter-bomber unveiled !
« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2011, 05:31:36 pm »

     It seems to have a CGI look to it to me.


I have to admit !!!

The JXX was expected - maybe not that soon ... but anyway, but now  :o !!!!! 

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Re: JH-XX ... China's stealthy fighter-bomber unveiled !
« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2011, 05:42:31 pm »
some more pics
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Re: JH-XX ... China's stealthy fighter-bomber unveiled !
« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2011, 06:14:35 pm »
As the earwig said.....





'ere we go again....

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Re: JH-XX ... China's stealthy fighter-bomber unveiled !
« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2011, 07:05:44 pm »
the stealthified JF-17

Given that it sits at Chengdu (allegedly), can we be sure it isn't a twin-seat version of this?

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Re: JH-XX ... China's stealthy fighter-bomber unveiled !
« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2011, 11:54:26 pm »
Hmm ... could be ... but IMO not really, since it "seems" to be much larger than the FC-1/JF-17.

As such I tend to say - even at that early stage - this is the long-rumoured JH-7 successor ... but what makes me wonder is that this photo was taken at Chengdu and not in Xian. ???

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« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2011, 12:02:00 am »
the stealthified JF-17

Given that it sits at Chengdu (allegedly), can we be sure it isn't a twin-seat version of this?

Good point, although the tail plane planform in these latest images (again assuming that they're real, obviously) more closely resembles the JH-7.

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« Reply #23 on: June 09, 2011, 12:11:29 am »
Honestly, but I think the two photos showing it in the air are FAKES ! I can't prove it but if a first flight was done at CAC the news would be all ovber the net, additionally it looks too much like a "JH-7B" and not like a new design.

Quite interesting is the model above, since the guy on the left is General Zhang Wannian - Vice Chairman Central Military Commission (1998-2003).

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« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2011, 12:24:39 am »
How certain are we that the picture was really taken in Chengdu?

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« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2011, 12:38:06 am »
Another thought - if this really is a JH-7 follow-on it would appear to pour cold water on the notion that the J-20 is intended to be a fast fighter bomber rather than an air superiority platform.

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Re: JH-XX ... China's stealthy fighter-bomber unveiled !
« Reply #26 on: June 09, 2011, 12:54:31 am »
i think XAC just focus on the intake\radar\engine, like the evolution from F18 C\D to E\F, they dont pursue a stealth aircraft,so there wont be weapon bay or V-tail  :)
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« Reply #27 on: June 09, 2011, 01:05:39 am »
Agree, assuming it is a close relative of the JH-7 it's going to be more like a "Super Leopard" or JH-7SE, rather than a true VLO design. Some LO shaping (inlets etc.) and serrated panels but no internal bays.

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Re: JH-XX ... China's stealthy fighter-bomber unveiled !
« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2011, 02:35:59 am »
Another thought - if this really is a JH-7 follow-on it would appear to pour cold water on the notion that the J-20 is intended to be a fast fighter bomber rather than an air superiority platform.

Not necessarily. China sometimes develops two aircraft for apparently similar roles - J-10/FC-7, L-15/JL-9.

Also, J-20 may not be something they wish to export, and it does not look like it will land on a carrier (those dangling doors!). So maybe this 'JH-XX' does one of those things.

Time will tell, but I'll be amazed to see a Spey powered stealth bomber!
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