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Re: F-19: artists impressions of the Stealth Fighter
« Reply #165 on: December 05, 2015, 07:22:31 am »
some pics:
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Re: F-19: artists impressions of the Stealth Fighter
« Reply #166 on: December 05, 2015, 07:56:38 am »
Heh.  I use to have a copy of that blue stealth book by Bill Sweetman.
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Re: F-19: artists impressions of the Stealth Fighter
« Reply #167 on: December 05, 2015, 10:00:35 am »
I used to play that Microprose game a lot.

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Re: F-19: artists impressions of the Stealth Fighter
« Reply #168 on: December 05, 2015, 03:14:20 pm »
I used to play that Microprose game a lot.

Me too! On my Amiga... My favourite were the carrier missions. Bombing the USSR was easy compared to finding and landing on the carrier.
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Re: F-19: artists impressions of the Stealth Fighter
« Reply #169 on: December 05, 2015, 03:15:25 pm »
Heh.  I use to have a copy of that blue stealth book by Bill Sweetman.

I still do.
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Re: F-19: artists impressions of the Stealth Fighter
« Reply #170 on: December 05, 2015, 06:01:35 pm »
Heh.  I use to have a copy of that blue stealth book by Bill Sweetman.

I still do.

I think my little brother lifted mine.  When I went off to college I left my books at my parents place.  Years later when I grabbed the rest of my stuff my book collection had "mysteriously" gotten smaller.  :'(
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Re: F-19: artists impressions of the Stealth Fighter
« Reply #171 on: December 05, 2015, 08:19:54 pm »
I got another copy from Coas Books in Las Cruces, NM back in March. Saw about three other copies then. This bookstore has a lot used, older titles on their shelves. Good selections!

Here's the website:
http://www.coasbooks.com/
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Re: F-19: artists impressions of the Stealth Fighter
« Reply #172 on: December 06, 2015, 07:25:23 am »
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stealth, more than a few of them truly technically ignorant and proud of it." Sherm Mullin, Skunk Works

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Re: F-19: artists impressions of the Stealth Fighter
« Reply #173 on: March 17, 2016, 04:37:11 pm »
Fun video for fans of Testors F-19.


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Re: F-19: artists impressions of the Stealth Fighter
« Reply #174 on: March 17, 2016, 05:59:12 pm »
You really can see how the Have Blue was seen by an unauthorised person who saw it side on, and to the rear but not planform.

Inward canter tails faceted cockpit, engine intakes above and behind... And Wowser, what a great video!

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Re: F-19: artists impressions of the Stealth Fighter
« Reply #175 on: March 18, 2016, 12:09:34 pm »
I'm curious, with as much attention that the Testor F-19 model received during its heyday, if there was ever any engineering or popular article written on it from an engineering perspective? I can see a variety of issues (e.g. canard and spoiler control effectiveness, wing loading, obstructed inlet, stealth effectiveness, etc.) that may have already been addressed in a peer reviewed article.     

This article explains how Anderson came up with the design:
http://articles.latimes.com/1986-10-19/magazine/tm-5852_1_f-19-stealth-fighter/2

The initial inspiration for the design came from an electronic company's (Loral's?) stealth aircraft advertisement.
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Re: F-19: artists impressions of the Stealth Fighter
« Reply #176 on: March 18, 2016, 01:18:16 pm »
What struck me when building the Revell F-19 (and having an F-117 to compare it to) was the lack of space in the fuselage. You'd have the engines, weapons bay and landing gear all impinging on each other, while leaving no space for fuel.

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Re: F-19: artists impressions of the Stealth Fighter
« Reply #177 on: March 18, 2016, 01:47:00 pm »
What struck me when building the Revell F-19 (and having an F-117 to compare it to) was the lack of space in the fuselage. You'd have the engines, weapons bay and landing gear all impinging on each other, while leaving no space for fuel.

F35 early variant?

But yeah, can see why it was a demonstrator, Have Blue sized.

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Re: F-19: artists impressions of the Stealth Fighter
« Reply #178 on: March 18, 2016, 05:02:08 pm »
Although not a definitive case, the basic configuration of the Testor F-19, flown here in an RC model, is tentatively a stable and a controllable design. The video demonstrates no apparent oscillations in high AoA maneuvers (i.e. slow flight, climb out, landing, etc.) and no gross oscillations in sideslip when turning. Maneuvers seemed to respond positively to all the controllers inputs, flying patterns that appeared precise with no over-controlling, suggesting positive static stability. Again, its very subjective, but its an interesting exercise in 'napkin-engineering.'



Note: Just found quellish posted similar video of an earlier version of the RC model.Sorry for the duplication
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Re: F-19: artists impressions of the Stealth Fighter
« Reply #179 on: March 18, 2016, 09:33:16 pm »
What struck me when building the Revell F-19 (and having an F-117 to compare it to) was the lack of space in the fuselage. You'd have the engines, weapons bay and landing gear all impinging on each other, while leaving no space for fuel.

F35 early variant?

But yeah, can see why it was a demonstrator, Have Blue sized.

Size of the model was driven by the reports that the Stealth Fighter was transportable without disassembly in the C-5.
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