Sukhoi Su-57 / T-50 / PAK FA - flight testing and development Part I [2010-2012]

[flanker]

Sorry, but i smell BS...

Brahmos on PAK FA, where?

 

[saintkatanalegacy]

hmmm... options I can think of...

a. external pylon
b. resized spine from adding 2nd seat = bigger bays by a few centimeters
c. make smaller cruise missile

 

[Avimimus]

The T-50 is already confirmed to be able to carry two 1500kg bombs (presumably on external hardpoints as they are a bit too high in diameter for the presumed 380mm bays). So, we're talking an extra 25% pylon strength.

 

[flateric]

So, we're talking an extra 25% pylon strength.

...and 25% Brahmos weight improvement with the same range (Pillai says that they need push it down to 2000 kg). easy cake for sci-fi authors!

 

[flanker]

The T-50 is already confirmed to be able to carry two 1500kg bombs...

I am pretty sure that is scifi myth. I believe Kh-38 is the biggest missile that is able to fit inside PAK FA at this point.

 

[Avimimus]

I did say that it would probably be carried on external hardpoints (if they were going to carry it)...

 

[flateric]

up to 250 kg bombs in weapon bays
up to 1500 kg on external hardpoints
this is official from KTRV

Novator and Zvezda-Strela AAMs lost the competition to Vympel

http://ktrv.ru/news/publ/665.html
http://ktrv.ru/news/publ/667.html

 

[flateric]

http://www.knaapo.ru/rus/gallery/events/combat/t-50/t-50-2.wbp

 

[Avimimus]

up to 250 kg bombs in weapon bays
up to 1500 kg on external hardpoints
this is official from KTRV

Novator and Zvezda-Strela AAMs lost the competition to Vympel

http://ktrv.ru/news/publ/665.html
http://ktrv.ru/news/publ/667.html

Thanks, I hadn't seen the second press release which states the 1500kg figure with regard to missiles as well as bombs. Given that 1500kg is the largest conventional bomb commonly carried it seemed plausible that the hardpoints could have a slightly higher rating.

I wouldn't be entirely surprised if we see a few changes as the aircraft matures and the information filtering to the public is allowed to become "clearer". It seems very likely that the internal bay can carry <700kg <38cm weapons - so we might even see a new guided bomb engineered for these dimensions.

 

[flateric]

Thanks, I hadn't seen the second press release which states the 1500kg figure with regard to missiles as well as bombs. Given that 1500kg is the largest conventional bomb commonly carried it seemed plausible that the hardpoints could have a slightly higher rating.

I still think that non-existing 2000 kg Brahmos for T-50 is a sci-fi, but may be a nice idea for another fraud

 

[flanker]

Just took a look at the EXIF data for the newer KnAAPO pictures. The picture of Bogdan talking with Pogosyan is actually day before flight, second march. Another picture of it taxiing is also from second march.

 

[flateric]

The picture of Bogdan talking with Pogosyan

this is not Pogosyan

 

[flanker]

The picture of Bogdan talking with Pogosyan

this is not Pogosyan

Ah, Pogosyan impersonator it is then. ;D

And where is that promised T-50-2 video, i am getting restless...On Thursday i will leave to a nice cold place for a week, so i hope something will appear by then.

 

[saintkatanalegacy]

(c) items removed

 

[saintkatanalegacy]

(c) items removed

 

[flateric]

And where is that promised T-50-2 video, i am getting restless

http://sukhoi.org/gallery/?id=5520&gallery_id=99&cur_gallery_id=99

 

[flanker]

! ;D

Happy happy happy. Nice T-50 passes.

 

[flanker]

http://russianplanes.net/ID39819

http://spotters.net.ua/file/?id=46422&size=large

 

[flanker]

T-50-2 arrived in LII. (Zhukovsky)

http://senikalex.livejournal.com/69288.html?#cutid1

 

[flateric]

this was departure en-route airport of Khabarovsk

and this is arrival to Zhukovski

фото (с) Pavelectric

 

[flanker]

this was departure en-route airport of Khabarovsk

Yeah, i know, just wanted to post the pictures. For non-russian speaking, second An-124 in my link came from Tokyo.

 

[QuadroFX]

(с)Navigator

 

[saintkatanalegacy]

hmmm... false coloring to see the details in the paint

 

[flateric]

what new you are expecting to see on T-50-1?

 

[saintkatanalegacy]

well, it's too dim...

 

[chuck4]

Is there any confirmation of what those two long blisters under the wing root are? What is the dome behind the canopy?

 

[flanker]

Is there any confirmation of what those two long blisters under the wing root are? What is the dome behind the canopy?

Weapon bays. dot. Nothing more to discuss.

 

[flateric]

What is the dome behind the canopy?

one of T-50 UOMZ PAOLS system sensors
PAK FA PAOLS is being developed under 'Atoll' R&D works
kind of EOTSki/EODASki

 

[flanker]

New pics by Yuri Stepanov aka Yurist.

 

[flanker]

Last two.

 

[Grey Havoc]

Paging Mr. Gates.....Paging Mr. Gates....

 

[flanker]

Paging Mr. Gates.....Paging Mr. Gates....

Yes, bring back the F-223!

 

[Orionblamblam]

Yes, bring back the F-223!

Screw that. The F-22 and F-23 were both products of 1980's design work. Do you remember the 1980's? I do.

I'm old. But I bet there are some forum members who don't remember the 1980's. I'd wager that there are even a few member who weren't even *alive* in the 1980's.

If that's you... get off my lawn.


There is no reason at all why an American company *cannot* design an entirely new air superiority fighter *today* and have it in the air in three years. Suggestion: offer a billion dollars award, twenty years of tax-free status and protection from environmental regs, lawyers and unions to whoever can pull it off.

 

[bobbymike]

Yes, bring back the F-223!

Screw that. The F-22 and F-23 were both products of 1980's design work. Do you remember the 1980's? I do.

I'm old. But I bet there are some forum members who don't remember the 1980's. I'd wager that there are even a few member who weren't even *alive* in the 1980's.

If that's you... get off my lawn.


There is no reason at all why an American company *cannot* design an entirely new air superiority fighter *today* and have it in the air in three years. Suggestion: offer a billion dollars award, twenty years of tax-free status and protection from environmental regs, lawyers and unions to whoever can pull it off.

I agree wholeheartedly. Especially the environmental craziness. I read that the Air Force has to write dozens of annual reports on the status of endangered animals at some of their air bases/test sites on things like turtles and lizards. What's the cost of all this regulatory crap?

President Bobbmike's stimulus would have been new SSBNs, ICBMs, bombers, nukes, sixth gen fighters, etc.. Basically $800 billion of whup ass

 

[Orionblamblam]

President Bobbmike's stimulus would have been new SSBNs, ICBMs, bombers, nukes, sixth gen fighters, etc..

Sixth generation fighters? Pfff. Screw that, go straight to at least seventh. Bonus award money for eighth.

I want fighters so advanced that the enemy not only doesn't understand how to fight them... they don't even understand what they *are.*

 

[sferrin]

There is no reason at all why an American company *cannot* design an entirely new air superiority fighter *today* and have it in the air in three years. Suggestion: offer a billion dollars award, twenty years of tax-free status and protection from environmental regs, lawyers and unions to whoever can pull it off.

First you'd have to find a way to supply management all the way up the chain with a spine. Then you'd have to make it blacker than a black hole to keep the media from getting the politicians in a tizzy. Only then could you begin to ease the need for the massive CYA second and third guessing everything, which is the REAL time killer.

 

[Grey Havoc]

There is no reason at all why an American company *cannot* design an entirely new air superiority fighter *today* and have it in the air in three years. Suggestion: offer a billion dollars award, twenty years of tax-free status and protection from environmental regs, lawyers and unions to whoever can pull it off.

First you'd have to find a way to supply management all the way up the chain with a spine. Then you'd have to make it blacker than a black hole to keep the media from getting the politicians in a tizzy. Only then could you begin to ease the need for the massive CYA second and third guessing everything, which is the REAL time killer.

Bring back the '80's! [dives into foxhole]

 

[lancer21]

What is the dome behind the canopy?

one of T-50 UOMZ PAOLS system sensors
PAK FA PAOLS is being developed under 'Atoll' R&D works
kind of EOTSki/EODASki

What does PAOLS stands for? Thanks.

BTW regarding T-50-2, someone posted that it was suposed to go up last Friday but for some reason it didn't ...maybe if all goes well, next week ? ???

 

[flateric]

PAОLS stands for Passivno-activnaya Optiko-Lokatsionnaya Stantsiya. IRST...and much more than that...
52...not much left to wait, week or two max I think

 

[ssdunkel]

In the beginning of that latest video, it appears that #2 has TVC. When the engines spool up, you can see the nozzle in what appears to be full down deflection, then move to neutral position.

Are my eyes fooling me???