Working out a (Fictional) aircrafts dimensions from a photograph.

[Graham1973]

Over in the 'Fictional Aircraft from TV and Movies' thread I posted a series of screen caps from a 15 second night time air-raid sequence that appears in the 2019 Turkish film 'Cicero'. For reasons that will probably never be determined the people doing the special-effects decided to create a 'frankenplane' (From this point I'm going to refer to it as an He-211.) rather than the B-17s that would have been used in a somewhat atypical USAAF air-raid (At the time in the war the story is set the RAF had transitioned to night bombing and the USAAF had stuck with daylight bombing.)

The He-211 is clearly closely related to the He-111 as the two screen caps show (If anyone can translate the captions in picture one I would be grateful.). And at an 'eyball' estimate I'd judge them to be roughly the same size as a B-17, but I think it might be possible to refine that a bit. The second attached picture is the closest view of the aircraft in the sequence, as it shows standard Jumo 211 mounts it's probably safe to use the engine/propeller as a way to 'scale' the image.

I've never done this before, I suspect that the dimensions of the He-111z might also prove useful in this endeavour, however I'm not sure. If anyone can help, please reply below as I'm sure that others might find this discussion interesting.

 

[BAROBA]

Hi Graham,
I found this:

https://www.myliaison.tv/portfolio/cicero

It has a clip of the planes flying.
It is from one of the companies that worked on the film.
For them it is pretty easy to get the exact measurements

 

[Graham1973]

Thanks for finding that. I will ask the question once I've worked out the best wording... And I'll report back here when I'm done.

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Other than asking the makers, you have to start from something you know or can guess the size of, like the engine, or a human, or something.

 

[The K2]

Besides contacting the designer of the aircraft, I would go with the dimensions of the He-111Z. The length, and height looks about the same. However, the wingspan you will probably have to calculate. By my calculations, it would be about 103.8 feet. I used detailed blueprints of the He-111Z on the web and took measurements from there.

Looking at the screenshots posted, the aircraft has one heck of a wingspan compared to the fuselage. It would be difficult to get any more detailed measurements.

 

[Michel Van]

Operation Cicero

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9msKz9G5_Uk

A German build USAAF bomber makes a raid over German city
and Hitler? get executed by Wehrmacht...

oh what the hell ?!
Seeing that Trailer, i almost spit my coffee out,
I have no Idea what the movie production were smoking, to pull off that kind madness.

back to topic
no idea why the He-211, instead of B-17
but its bomb-bay internal ls off a B-17 !
i would guess that He-211 would from characteristic, similar to B-17
That imply also mass and size of aircraft

length 74 ft 4 in (22.66 m)
wingspan 103 ft 9 in (31.62 m)
max takeoff weight 65,500 lb (29,700 kg)
4 × Wright R-1820-97 engine 1,200 hp (895 kW) each

so the He-211 is stretch in length and wingspan
4 x Junkers Jumo 211F-1 engines, 1,300 hp (970 kW) each

To compare with He-111 Z1
length (16,38 m)
wingspan 115 ft 6 in (35,20 m)
max takeoff weight 62,611 lb (28.400 kg)
5 x Junkers Jumo 211F-1 engines, 1,300 hp (970 kW) each