What if No Treaty of Washington - 1922

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With the Washington treaty the US and Japan each got two carriers maybe 15 years ahnead of their time essentially free
Actually no. USN already wanted large carrier, capable of operating with the battlecruiser fleet. In 1920-1922, large carriers of 35.000-39.000 tons, with the speed of 35 knots, were designed:

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It is true that they had these designs, but there wasn't much chance of the USN getting money to build them. They couldn't even get money to complete the battleships and battlecruisers they had already laid down.

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David
Ummmm, the ships that were under construction were all already fully funded. That was one of the reasons the other naval powers were so eager to agree to a naval arms treaty. They knew the US was the only country that could actually afford to get into a naval building race. Not that Congress wasn't thrilled to get that money back, but the ships themselves were already budgeted for and funded
 

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Where Congress was obstructing construction was their mandate that the Navy had to finish the ships on the stocks in order for the Navy to get the new cruisers it wanted. And given the South Dakotas were going through a death spiral as the Navy constantly tweaked the design...
 

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If other countries, mainly England, had started building these battleships and
battlecruisers then I think the U.S would have come up with the funds to build.
The U.S was already unhappy with the building of the Nelson's and would have
felt the need to match ship for ship.
While we will never know for sure what would have happened in an alternative history, what we do know was that in late 1921, when the US firmly believed that both the British and the Japanese were going to build their projected battleships and battlecruisers, every leading member of the US Government, including the President, SecState, SecNav, and the big Navy leaders in both houses, was of the belief that there was no chance at all that Congress would fund the completion of the capital ships already laid down under the 1916 program.

We know they had the money if they wanted to, and they had the industrial capacity to do it, but they had embarked on one of the largest military expansion programs in history immediately after the 'war to end all wars' - and the political support needed to actually spend the money on what might be characterised as a luxury fleet just wasn't there.

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With the Washington treaty the US and Japan each got two carriers maybe 15 years ahnead of their time essentially free
Actually no. USN already wanted large carrier, capable of operating with the battlecruiser fleet. In 1920-1922, large carriers of 35.000-39.000 tons, with the speed of 35 knots, were designed:

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It is true that they had these designs, but there wasn't much chance of the USN getting money to build them. They couldn't even get money to complete the battleships and battlecruisers they had already laid down.

Regards

David
Ummmm, the ships that were under construction were all already fully funded. That was one of the reasons the other naval powers were so eager to agree to a naval arms treaty. They knew the US was the only country that could actually afford to get into a naval building race. Not that Congress wasn't thrilled to get that money back, but the ships themselves were already budgeted for and funded
This is simply not true. Funding was allocated on a year by year basis. They were fully authorised, but the Navy had to go back to Congress each year and ask for money to be allocated for the next years phase of construction - and nobody who counted believed that they would keep getting it.

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David
 
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