• Hi Guest! Forum rules have been updated. All users please read here.

Weiss Manfréd WM-23 "Ezüst Nyíl' "Silver Arrow"

Zizi6785

ACCESS: Secret
Joined
Dec 20, 2006
Messages
308
Reaction score
132
Span: 9.60m,
Length: 9.10m,
Height: 3.10m,
wing area: 23.5 sq.m,
Engine Mfg: Manfred Weiss, Model: WM-K14/B (761 kW) (licence Gnome-Rhone 14Kfrs),
Empty: 2100kg,
Normal Max: 2600kg,
Overload: 3290kg,
Max Speed: 530kph,
Cruise: 472kph,
Rate of Climb: 1000 mpm,
Range: 600km,
2 x 7.62mm MG + 2 x 20mm cannons.
 

Attachments

  • 01.jpg
    01.jpg
    75.7 KB · Views: 358
  • wm23-1_small.gif
    wm23-1_small.gif
    6 KB · Views: 1,122
  • 1151911563.JPG
    1151911563.JPG
    12.3 KB · Views: 204
  • 1151911454.JPG
    1151911454.JPG
    13.4 KB · Views: 181
  • 73_1_a1.jpg
    73_1_a1.jpg
    23.4 KB · Views: 296
  • 73_1.jpg
    73_1.jpg
    21.1 KB · Views: 303
  • 04.jpg
    04.jpg
    69.2 KB · Views: 294
  • 05.jpg
    05.jpg
    99.2 KB · Views: 331

Zizi6785

ACCESS: Secret
Joined
Dec 20, 2006
Messages
308
Reaction score
132
Maybe the most beautiful plane of the world:
 

Attachments

  • WM-23_rajz.gif
    WM-23_rajz.gif
    27 KB · Views: 222
  • wm23-2.jpg
    wm23-2.jpg
    37.4 KB · Views: 147
  • wm23ezustnyil.jpg
    wm23ezustnyil.jpg
    31 KB · Views: 167

Antonio

ACCESS: Top Secret
Staff member
Senior Member
Joined
Jan 22, 2006
Messages
3,510
Reaction score
242
Excellent!, many thanks :)

Antonio
 

Apophenia

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Jul 25, 2007
Messages
2,639
Reaction score
956
airman said:
the project seems was started from core of reggiane 2000 ! ::)

Hungary acquired three He-112B-1/U2s in early 1939. But they also bought 70 Falcos (V-401 - V-470) from Reggiane as the Héja I. Both types were further developed in Hungary.

Perhaps you were thinking of the Hungarian-built Re.2000 derivative with Manfred Weiss-licenced K-14, the MÁVAG Héja II?
 

Justo Miranda

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Dec 2, 2007
Messages
4,396
Reaction score
2,294
Website
www.amazon.com
Additional info
Unknown source
 

Attachments

  • Escanear0007.jpg
    Escanear0007.jpg
    196.4 KB · Views: 200
  • Escanear0006.jpg
    Escanear0006.jpg
    203.2 KB · Views: 182
  • Escanear0005.jpg
    Escanear0005.jpg
    214 KB · Views: 181
  • Escanear0004.jpg
    Escanear0004.jpg
    221.7 KB · Views: 187
  • Escanear0003.jpg
    Escanear0003.jpg
    89.5 KB · Views: 182
  • Escanear0002.jpg
    Escanear0002.jpg
    256.4 KB · Views: 181
  • Escanear0001.jpg
    Escanear0001.jpg
    129.1 KB · Views: 185

Justo Miranda

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Dec 2, 2007
Messages
4,396
Reaction score
2,294
Website
www.amazon.com
Additional info
Unknown source
Post-2
 

Attachments

  • Escanear0014.jpg
    Escanear0014.jpg
    139.7 KB · Views: 162
  • Escanear0013.jpg
    Escanear0013.jpg
    143.4 KB · Views: 173
  • Escanear0012.jpg
    Escanear0012.jpg
    144.6 KB · Views: 172
  • Escanear0011.jpg
    Escanear0011.jpg
    164.6 KB · Views: 177
  • Escanear0010.jpg
    Escanear0010.jpg
    90 KB · Views: 183
  • Escanear0009.jpg
    Escanear0009.jpg
    152.3 KB · Views: 187
  • Escanear0008.jpg
    Escanear0008.jpg
    187.2 KB · Views: 175

airman

ACCESS: Top Secret
Joined
Oct 14, 2007
Messages
1,227
Reaction score
84
Website
zeef.com
thanks Justo : incredible they had studied all possible configurations for WM-23 ! :)
 

Zizi6785

ACCESS: Secret
Joined
Dec 20, 2006
Messages
308
Reaction score
132
airman said:
thanks Justo : incredible they had studied all possible configurations for WM-23 ! :)

All other configurations are fake.
Only the single seat version were be planned and built.
 

lucamax

ACCESS: Secret
Joined
Mar 2, 2010
Messages
243
Reaction score
31
Website
www.res-aeronautica.com
Thanks for the information and beautiful drawings. I was just trying to find the story of this interesting airplane. At the end it never came into production?
 

papacavy

ACCESS: Confidential
Joined
Apr 13, 2006
Messages
96
Reaction score
9
Yeah, those unusual WM.23 configurations are totally fictional. You see, I am the illustrator of the last several WM.23 drawings that Justo posted (I had sent them to him a few years ago for him to use as he wished. Guess he merely forgot who they were from and that's OK). The WM.23 with the Daimler-Benz engine was, according to the sources I had available to me at the time, considered but never really "designed". The 2-seat reconnaissance variant was designed at the same time as the single-seat fighter, but was never considered for production. I do believe that Weiss-Manfred (Manfred-Weiss according to some sources) was considering a German radial for the planned production model (memory wants me to say the BMW-801, but I don't think that that would have been available).

It would be interesting to see what the WM.23 would have been like with a BMW-801, though. Now just let me find the CADD files...

Anyway, all the other "designs" were just my imagination working overtime, as it is wont to do with interesting airplanes.

The Hungarians only built ONE WM.23 and that one crashed sometime during the flight test phase.

On another note, while some sources designated the Daimler-Benz version as the WM.123, other, more reliable Hungarian sources, state that this variant was probably designated as the WM.22 (or maybe the WM.24? Please correct me if I am wrong).

Last note for Justo: Please my friend, don't think I am accusing you of plagiarism or stealing my drawings. I know you to be an honorable and trustworthy man, and THE BEST DAMNED ILLUSTRATOR I HAVE EVER SEEN!! I may not have put my name of the drawings when I gave them to you. My apologies.
 

Zizi6785

ACCESS: Secret
Joined
Dec 20, 2006
Messages
308
Reaction score
132

Attachments

  • 5.jpg
    5.jpg
    82.6 KB · Views: 242

lark

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Feb 17, 2006
Messages
1,806
Reaction score
77
It should be interesting to split the "might have been designs"
from the pure fictional ones...
 

Tophe

ACCESS: Top Secret
Joined
Feb 18, 2006
Messages
1,149
Reaction score
37
Website
cmeunier.chez-alice.fr
The WM-123 with DB.605 engine is very beautiful anyway, completing the DB family of 1940s fighter-beauties (He100, Bf109, Pyorremyrsky, Italian ones?). Thanks to have presented it!
 

Antonio

ACCESS: Top Secret
Staff member
Senior Member
Joined
Jan 22, 2006
Messages
3,510
Reaction score
242
All other configurations are fake.
Only the single seat version were be planned and built.


pictures are numbered 1 to 14, could you please tell me which numbers are fictional please?

Thanks a lot
 

papacavy

ACCESS: Confidential
Joined
Apr 13, 2006
Messages
96
Reaction score
9
The fictional ones are numbered 11 through 14. Believe me, I could have gotten even more weird than those if I had the time to "play" with the drawings more!
 

papacavy

ACCESS: Confidential
Joined
Apr 13, 2006
Messages
96
Reaction score
9
As far as I know, #7, the Daimler-Benz powered WM.23, was a real project, although it never progressed further than the drawing board. Pity.

Now, imagine, if the WM.23 HAD entered full-scale service with Hungary's air force in 1941. How would it have faired against Allied (i.e American & British) planes and how would it have faired against the Soviet Air Force?

Would the Hungarians, after being overrrun by the Soviets, have attempted to use a Soviet radial in the plane?

Ah, the imagination is a terrible thing to waste, but such fun to use!
 
Top