Turkey's Naval Programs Discussion

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Combat-Master said:
Final design of Turkey's next generation Fast Attack Craft;
  • Length Overall (LOA) 68.00 m
  • Moulded Breadth (Bmax) 9.34 m
  • Design Draft (T) 2.50 m
  • Design Displacement 700 tons
  • Max Speed 39+ knot
  • Cruising Speed 20 knot
  • Range 800 nm (min.)
  • Endurance 7 days
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Latest on construction of Turkey's first of class Fast Attack Craft, 10 vessels contracted to be built with option of follow on orders for more
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Forest Green said:

Turkish Navy Confirms 2032 Delivery Date for MUGEM Aircraft Carrier​

https://www.navalnews.com/event-new...032-delivery-date-for-mugem-aircraft-carrier/
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Construction of MUGEM is in progress
The final slide of the MUGEM project presentation was particularly important: it showed actual construction photographs with the caption “Construction is in progress.” The photos showed steel blocks being assembled at what appears to be the Istanbul Naval Shipyard, confirming that physical construction work is ongoing.
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I think this was the most interesting part. Hopefully we'll be able to see the blocks through Google Earth soon
 

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Combat-Master said:
2025 for Turkish Navy starts off with steel cutting ceremony for MUGEM-Class Aircraft Carrier and TF-2000-Class destroyer and welding ceremony of MILDEN-Class submarine
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TF(/TD)-2000?

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(From the Japanese Federation of Engineering's visit to Istanbul Naval Shipyard Command...)

From April 10:

İstanbul Shipyard Command has laid down the first block of the first Tepe-class destroyer TCG Kocatepe, which is expected to be launched around the 2027’s end.
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https://turdef.com/article/istanbul-shipyard-lays-down-the-lead-tepe-class-destroyer
 
snne said:
TF(/TD)-2000?
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Thought they'd go all-in on Strike-length with all 96 VLS cells. Disappointing to see 32 cells switched to tactical-length (Hisar-D, Siper-1D, Atmaca AShM), leaving only the remaining 64 as Strike-length (Gezgin LRCM, ballistics, exo-atmospheric interceptors, endo-atmospheric Siper-A, etc.)...

Obviously there was a good engineering reason for the split, but still...

Well, perhaps this could still change just like how the rest of the I-class switched from MIDLAS-Tactical to MIDLAS-Strike after the lead ship...

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TCG İçel (F-518) has the strike length MIDLAS VLS, compared to tactical length version on TCG istanbul (F515);
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@snne Tactical/Strike placement is the same as Burkes. I think DPO is following in the footsteps of the US Navy. Also, MIDLAS Tactical is the same length as the Mk41 (6.7 m), which can launch the Siper-2 (6.3 m). For other missiles, 64 VLS should be enough.

In other news, the F-518 İçel is nearing completion. The 516 and 517 have already begun sea trials; the 518 is expected to begin soon. God, I WISH to witness a triple frigate commissioning ceremony before the end of this year *fingers crossed*

https://twitter.com/x/status/2087864124608794889
View: https://x.com/KaraKulak__/status/2087864124608794889?s=20
 
Nart said:
MIDLAS Tactical is the same length as the Mk41 (6.7 m), which can launch the Siper-2 (6.3 m). For other missiles, 64 VLS should be enough.
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These ships are supposed to serve well into the 2070s (or at least until the MLU without any extensive upgrades). You have to account for the types of missiles you plan to have or could want to have over the next 20 years, not just what you have at hand today.
 

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https://www.koreajoongangdaily.com/...-thai-navy-bid-but-will-it-be-enough/12774538

Havent seen this posted yet, but there's murmurs about Thailand being dissatisfied with their Hanhwa frigates.
It has major problems with its Engines (German), and is gun (American), although not sure if its an issue with any of the builders/suppliers, or on the Thai side as its also rumored that its caused by personnel issues.

However because of that, there's interest in Turkey's Istanbul class frigates.
 
DATUM introduces two unmanned systems for covert naval warfare: the Lüfer and the Kofana. The Lüfer is a compact, 1.2-meter, man-portable mini underwater kamikaze drone designed for SAT commandos to conduct stealth attacks on enemy port assets without direct human risk, utilizing fiber-optic control and an onboard camera for real-time target tracking to precisely damage propellers and rudders within a 10 km range. Complementing this is the larger Kofana, a 7-meter, 4-ton vehicle transported by trailer, which offers an extended 80 km operational range and carries a Malaman mine to either act as an underwater kamikaze drone or deploy mines at strategic port locations.

The Lüfer mini underwater kamikaze drone is expected to begin its tests in September. The goal is to conduct these tests and then showcase the vehicle's capabilities during the Turna naval exercise in October.

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Youtube video of the interview, it's also dubbed for English viewers
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa3p8WcUMqo
 

TUFAN Kamikaze USV Launched at TEKNOFEST Mavi Vatan 2026​

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-new...ze-usv-launched-at-teknofest-mavi-vatan-2026/
TUFAN, a new kamikaze unmanned surface vessel (USV) developed by ASELSAN and built by ARES Shipyard, was launched during TEKNOFEST Mavi Vatan 2026 at Gölcük Naval Shipyard Command in Kocaeli, marking its first public appearance on the water.
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https://twitter.com/x/status/2090748416489869669
View: https://x.com/ARESShipyard/status/2090748416489869669
 

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HAVELSAN Unveils AVISTA, New Underwater Autonomy Project​

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-new...veils-avista-new-underwater-autonomy-project/
Building on the expertise it has developed through SANCAR and RAFNAR in the field of unmanned marine vehicles, HAVELSAN unveiled AVISTA, its new self-funded R&D project, for the first time at TEKNOFEST Blue Homeland 2026 in Gölcük.
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Through the AVISTA project, HAVELSAN aims to develop national capabilities for precise positioning in underwater environments where GNSS access is unavailable, three-dimensional underwater mapping, ship hull inspection, protection of critical underwater structures, and integrated underwater security capabilities.
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The AVISTA project was initiated in response to the high cost of underwater sensors and customs-related restrictions affecting procurement. It aims to develop cost-effective and readily available sensors, along with algorithms that enable intelligent and autonomous platform capabilities. The project will also establish the technological foundation for capabilities intended for direct application in HAVELSAN’s ÇAKA Submersible Hybrid Unmanned Marine Vehicle (H-UMV) project.
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Türkiye’s Second I-class Frigate Begins Sea Trials With Enlarged VLS​

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2026/08/turkiye-second-iclass-frigate-tcg-izmir-sea-trials-vls/
On August 26, 2026, Türkiye’s Anadolu Shipyard announced that the second ship of the I-class (Istif-class) frigates, the future TCG Izmir (F-516), has begun her first Sea Acceptance Trials (SAT)—featuring a visibly enlarged Vertical Launch System (VLS) configuration compared to lead ship TCG Istanbul.
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Túrkey is playing catchup atm. The S-400 procurement and subsequent sanctions crippled their access to existing modern weapons. On paper their stuff looks good. But so did Russian and Chinese equipment until it was put into action.
 
MadRat said:
Túrkey is playing catchup atm. The S-400 procurement and subsequent sanctions crippled their access to existing modern weapons. On paper their stuff looks good. But so did Russian and Chinese equipment until it was put into action.
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Back to the kitchen Remy! The Ratatouille Falafels ain't gonna bake by themselves! Or perhaps with the help of some PL-15s they will :)
 
When you start looking at their industry its about 25 years behind in many ways. Take an old technology like the 76mm gun. The gun is a rate of fire comparable to the 70s and 80s. But Italy fleshed out almost twice the rate of fire two decades ago. Literally every system they are developing would have been bleeding edge in 1995-2000. But they fall short when compared to systems available before the sanctions.
 
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When you start looking at their industry its about 25 years behind in many ways. Take an old technology like the 76mm gun. The gun is a rate of fire comparable to the 70s and 80s. But Italy fleshed out almost twice the rate of fire two decades ago. Literally every system they are developing would have been bleeding edge in 1995-2000. But they fall short when compared to systems available before the sanctions.
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Rate of fire alone doesn’t define modernity when guided munitions (Turkey is developing a range of guided and airburst 76mm munitions), integration with AESA/CMS, and low-RCS mounts matter more.
Not every Turkish system is world-leading, and some areas (engines, certain high-end seekers, full strategic autonomy) still have gaps. But dismissing the whole industry as 25 years behind because one gun’s cyclic rate isn’t the absolute highest available ignores what’s actually been fielded, tested at sea, and exported in the last few years; TB3 shipborne ops and live strikes (in NATO exercises), Atmaca and Akya in service, indigenous AESA radars and ADVENT CMS on new frigates, growing USV swarms, and the DENİZHAN 76mm cannon itself already exported (Indonesia + Romania).
 
MadRat said:
Túrkey is playing catchup atm. The S-400 procurement and subsequent sanctions crippled their access to existing modern weapons. On paper their stuff looks good. But so did Russian and Chinese equipment until it was put into action.
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MadRat said:
When you start looking at their industry its about 25 years behind in many ways. Take an old technology like the 76mm gun. The gun is a rate of fire comparable to the 70s and 80s. But Italy fleshed out almost twice the rate of fire two decades ago. Literally every system they are developing would have been bleeding edge in 1995-2000. But they fall short when compared to systems available before the sanctions.
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Your comment about 76 mm naval guns is incorrect. The Turkish MKE Denizhan 76 mm gun has a maximum rate of fire of 80 rpm, while the Italian OTO Melara Super Rapido has a maximum rate of fire of 120 rpm. Considering that these cannons nowadays fire ammunition with advanced fuzes, rate of fire alone is not a significant measure of effectiveness. The Russian AK-176 has a rate of fire of 120 rpm, while the Chinese PJ-26 has a rate of fire of 150 rpm. Does this mean Russian naval cannons are just as good as Italian ones? No, it doesn't. Does this mean Chinese naval cannons are better than Italian ones? No, it doesn't. This is pure copium. Weapons produced by Turkish defense primes are built according to NATO standards.

Additionally, you are cherry picking. Your claim that literally every Turkish system relies on late 90s bleeding edge technology can easily be disproven. For example, the Kargu loitering munition and the Tayfun Block 3 ASBM are bleeding edge products in their respective categories.
 
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AK-176 is selectable ROF with 75 ready rounds. Once those 75 are used it must shut down for 30 minutes. OTO Melara doesn't have that problem because they water cool. And AK-176 is not so accurate nor enjoys the OTO Melara selection of bursting and/or smart rounds. The Russians expend 25 rounds per AT-2 test missile interception. OTO Melara uses a fraction to kill similar targets.
 

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