Hi there, I recently found out the AK47 allegedly has M1 Garand DNA . I thought it quite a find. Even a secret. As the Cold War followed WW2 I bet communists wouldn't like to explain the "capitalist" taint or the blemish of their main battle rifle.
Another thread here, does mention that a single M1 was loaned to the USSR around 1943.
I was hoping this could be discussed here and perhaps even made more clearly. I have to explain the whole to explain which part I do no get. Hopefully someone may own an M1 and know this. Maybe I simply cannot fully comprehend but it is complete? Who may know could teach me.
The M1 Garand uses a simple anti-pre engagement system of a track along its top opening with a recess at the end. Here the Right side locking lug, with the operating lug on top of it, can enter. This operating lug is of great importance to this thread. This operating lug is operated (pressed back, pulled forwards and cammed up and down) by the operating rod.
At the end of the rod is a track. I found this on a TFB thread. But I do not fully grasp this in the AK. The red line was said to be a "Shelf" This track is on the inside, facing the rifle. The shelf is what the lug leans on when cycling forward again, if the bolt hits an obstruction or grasps another case, this shelf supports the rear of the oprating lug.
The Garand right locking lug follows across a track. It then enters the barrel extension and as the operating lug is cammed, it locks. The Op-lug has a recess for itself at the end. This way the bolt will never rotate before it reaches the barrel extension where it can lock into, this way the rifle will never have a specific malfunction by design.
The AK has a track for it's locking lugs much like the M1 Garand. Perhaps a lot of bolt action rifles used this system too. But the garand track was unique. It took them a lot of labor to get there.
On the garand the locking lug has a track on the same side as the operating lug rotates into the receiver. They both use the same side. You cannot force the bolt to rotate out of battery because the direction it turns to, is blocked.
Enter the AK. There is a cam surface in the receiver, this appears to be a pivotal solution.
Next the operating lug slides of the anti pre engagement track inside the receiver. But the bolt rotates in opposite direction. To still prevent the bolt from rotating when it hits the next cartridge in the magazine, cycling back or returning, there is a similar "shelf" in the bolt carrier track.
The picture shows side view with the blue and top view with the purple. The carrier track is displayed in the purple. The lug inside the carrier is leaning against a support with its flat rear The blue cam track on the left diagram we already see in previous diagram. The bolt really needs to be cammed before it will rotate. the next diagram reveals that.
This of course is some engineering. The Garand cam track or op rod proved a difficulty that mr Garand overcame. But now mr Kalashnikov actually managed to integrate it into an automatic.
The track in the purple and the cam track on the operating lug are identical. It operated on the side but if it had from the top, it is exactly the same direction. The garand operating lug must have been lifted up further than the locking lugs somewhere in its trajectory.
The blue cam surface was also present in the M1 operating rod cam track. But only in sofar as the op-lug being up high when the bolt is in the rear. This is simply because the recoil spring is diagonally placed in the stock, a stock with a grip which does not afford a straight recoil spring.
Then cycling forward, the lug must follow the track in the receiver, or slide over it, so the op-lug drops slightly in the track. Meaning it slgihtly leaves the shelf downwards. The op-lug forward reaches the recess, the op rod travels further then the op-lug, now it is forced to cam the op-lug down to rotate the bolt which also reached its end of travel in the barrel extension/ breech.
But here I do not understand the operation of the Garand as being similar to that of the AK. The AK (blue) cam bumper in the receiver, was there a similar presence in the Garand when locking the bolt? Or did Kalashnikov come up with a solution for something else?
The second question I have is: How is the gas sytem similar with that of the M1? Since it is a different weapon altogether. Perhaps a detail of importance to truly understand the superficial?
The third question is this gelikoid figure. It renders Kalashnikov into a genuine Einstein. Is this actually something real he invented intentionally, or the result of some massive form of analysis and by such, if so, is it real in application?
I never heard of it. I got all this from the video: "How an AK 47 works", by a channel named Weapon mechanics. Which you would probably need to watch to have your mind boggled or fried. Well i mean to say, here my mind did get fried and now I need someone else to explain it to me, that is, if it were actually a thing.
I hope you can all appreciate the effort. it is still an interesting find. From TFB, but supercool idea for someone to just drop.
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog...ning-down-the-m1-garands-influence-on-the-ak/Here is that link. I would like to get the full picture of this. And it seems to me like a genuine secret.
Another thread here, does mention that a single M1 was loaned to the USSR around 1943.
I was hoping this could be discussed here and perhaps even made more clearly. I have to explain the whole to explain which part I do no get. Hopefully someone may own an M1 and know this. Maybe I simply cannot fully comprehend but it is complete? Who may know could teach me.
The M1 Garand uses a simple anti-pre engagement system of a track along its top opening with a recess at the end. Here the Right side locking lug, with the operating lug on top of it, can enter. This operating lug is of great importance to this thread. This operating lug is operated (pressed back, pulled forwards and cammed up and down) by the operating rod.
At the end of the rod is a track. I found this on a TFB thread. But I do not fully grasp this in the AK. The red line was said to be a "Shelf" This track is on the inside, facing the rifle. The shelf is what the lug leans on when cycling forward again, if the bolt hits an obstruction or grasps another case, this shelf supports the rear of the oprating lug.
The Garand right locking lug follows across a track. It then enters the barrel extension and as the operating lug is cammed, it locks. The Op-lug has a recess for itself at the end. This way the bolt will never rotate before it reaches the barrel extension where it can lock into, this way the rifle will never have a specific malfunction by design.
The AK has a track for it's locking lugs much like the M1 Garand. Perhaps a lot of bolt action rifles used this system too. But the garand track was unique. It took them a lot of labor to get there.
On the garand the locking lug has a track on the same side as the operating lug rotates into the receiver. They both use the same side. You cannot force the bolt to rotate out of battery because the direction it turns to, is blocked.
Enter the AK. There is a cam surface in the receiver, this appears to be a pivotal solution.
Next the operating lug slides of the anti pre engagement track inside the receiver. But the bolt rotates in opposite direction. To still prevent the bolt from rotating when it hits the next cartridge in the magazine, cycling back or returning, there is a similar "shelf" in the bolt carrier track.
The picture shows side view with the blue and top view with the purple. The carrier track is displayed in the purple. The lug inside the carrier is leaning against a support with its flat rear The blue cam track on the left diagram we already see in previous diagram. The bolt really needs to be cammed before it will rotate. the next diagram reveals that.
This of course is some engineering. The Garand cam track or op rod proved a difficulty that mr Garand overcame. But now mr Kalashnikov actually managed to integrate it into an automatic.
The track in the purple and the cam track on the operating lug are identical. It operated on the side but if it had from the top, it is exactly the same direction. The garand operating lug must have been lifted up further than the locking lugs somewhere in its trajectory.
The blue cam surface was also present in the M1 operating rod cam track. But only in sofar as the op-lug being up high when the bolt is in the rear. This is simply because the recoil spring is diagonally placed in the stock, a stock with a grip which does not afford a straight recoil spring.
Then cycling forward, the lug must follow the track in the receiver, or slide over it, so the op-lug drops slightly in the track. Meaning it slgihtly leaves the shelf downwards. The op-lug forward reaches the recess, the op rod travels further then the op-lug, now it is forced to cam the op-lug down to rotate the bolt which also reached its end of travel in the barrel extension/ breech.
But here I do not understand the operation of the Garand as being similar to that of the AK. The AK (blue) cam bumper in the receiver, was there a similar presence in the Garand when locking the bolt? Or did Kalashnikov come up with a solution for something else?
The second question I have is: How is the gas sytem similar with that of the M1? Since it is a different weapon altogether. Perhaps a detail of importance to truly understand the superficial?
The third question is this gelikoid figure. It renders Kalashnikov into a genuine Einstein. Is this actually something real he invented intentionally, or the result of some massive form of analysis and by such, if so, is it real in application?
I never heard of it. I got all this from the video: "How an AK 47 works", by a channel named Weapon mechanics. Which you would probably need to watch to have your mind boggled or fried. Well i mean to say, here my mind did get fried and now I need someone else to explain it to me, that is, if it were actually a thing.
I hope you can all appreciate the effort. it is still an interesting find. From TFB, but supercool idea for someone to just drop.
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog...ning-down-the-m1-garands-influence-on-the-ak/Here is that link. I would like to get the full picture of this. And it seems to me like a genuine secret.
