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T-74 instead of the T-80
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<blockquote data-quote="skylancer-3441" data-source="post: 528613" data-attributes="member: 11088"><blockquote data-quote="skylancer-3441" data-source="post: 527054" data-attributes="member: 11088"><p>And here's yet another "revolutionary tank" to deal with, and say ironing out that part of autoloader which actually moves ammo to gun and loads it - could take some time, even if such design survives all the way to serial production.</p><p></p><p>...which is not guaranteed, as for example by 1975 Morozov's view on next gen tank layout have evolved in favor of completely turretless rather-Strv103-alike-design, this time with crew of 2</p></blockquote><p>As it turned out (from scans of pages from Morozov diaries available there <a href="http://btvt.info/2futureprojects/1973_komponovka.htm" target="_blank">http://btvt.info/2futureprojects/1973_komponovka.htm</a> ) - 450 as shown in 1972, which layout is known to us from scalemodel, was abandoned quite soon, and Morozov' employees studied at least 3 more layouts in following 10 and a half months.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I used some pictures from Vestnik BTT (Armored Vehicles Gerald, restricted acess magazine of Soviet tank industry) article from 1991 on autoloaders and layouts to somewhat visualize them.</p><p></p><p>1 - one he proposed in 1972, and only one for which pics of scalemodel are available</p><p></p><p>2 - autoloader behind crew was replaced by circle autoloader on the roof level. 24 rounds; where exactly were stored 36 more - was not mentioned, along with location of fuel.</p><p>All 3 members of crew were still sitting in one compartment, somehow next to each other. It's unclear to me whether anyone was rotating along with gun in this version</p><p></p><p>3 - designers switched to traditional layout, with driver in front (to the left or in the middle - nor mentioned), and two members in turret basket to the left and right of the gun. Still autoloader under roof, but this time with 30 rounds (not 32 like on my picture); 30 more were somewhere else.</p><p>It's kinda close to 225, and weight was either about the same - barely fit into 42t, or more /44t were mentioned/</p><p></p><p>Г-shaped two-piece ammunition on pictures depicting variants 2 and 3 is based on <a href="http://www.rosinform.ru/assets/files/uploads/armata-esse/tank_003.jpg" target="_blank">this</a> Morozov's drawing from published edition of his Diary which presumably depicts variant 3.</p><p></p><p>4 - so they dropped an idea of such autoloader, and switched layout again - back to autoloader behind crew, 34 rds, but with another smaller 8 rds autoloader below turret basket, replenished from larger one. No mention whether driver was on the left or in the middle.</p><p>Idea was to further improve it by fitting more in each autoloader, going to 12+38</p><p>477 would reuse that idea again, though this time smaller autoloader would occupy portion of turret basket itself</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="skylancer-3441, post: 528613, member: 11088"] [QUOTE="skylancer-3441, post: 527054, member: 11088"] And here's yet another "revolutionary tank" to deal with, and say ironing out that part of autoloader which actually moves ammo to gun and loads it - could take some time, even if such design survives all the way to serial production. ...which is not guaranteed, as for example by 1975 Morozov's view on next gen tank layout have evolved in favor of completely turretless rather-Strv103-alike-design, this time with crew of 2 [/QUOTE] As it turned out (from scans of pages from Morozov diaries available there [URL]http://btvt.info/2futureprojects/1973_komponovka.htm[/URL] ) - 450 as shown in 1972, which layout is known to us from scalemodel, was abandoned quite soon, and Morozov' employees studied at least 3 more layouts in following 10 and a half months. I used some pictures from Vestnik BTT (Armored Vehicles Gerald, restricted acess magazine of Soviet tank industry) article from 1991 on autoloaders and layouts to somewhat visualize them. 1 - one he proposed in 1972, and only one for which pics of scalemodel are available 2 - autoloader behind crew was replaced by circle autoloader on the roof level. 24 rounds; where exactly were stored 36 more - was not mentioned, along with location of fuel. All 3 members of crew were still sitting in one compartment, somehow next to each other. It's unclear to me whether anyone was rotating along with gun in this version 3 - designers switched to traditional layout, with driver in front (to the left or in the middle - nor mentioned), and two members in turret basket to the left and right of the gun. Still autoloader under roof, but this time with 30 rounds (not 32 like on my picture); 30 more were somewhere else. It's kinda close to 225, and weight was either about the same - barely fit into 42t, or more /44t were mentioned/ Г-shaped two-piece ammunition on pictures depicting variants 2 and 3 is based on [URL='http://www.rosinform.ru/assets/files/uploads/armata-esse/tank_003.jpg']this[/URL] Morozov's drawing from published edition of his Diary which presumably depicts variant 3. 4 - so they dropped an idea of such autoloader, and switched layout again - back to autoloader behind crew, 34 rds, but with another smaller 8 rds autoloader below turret basket, replenished from larger one. No mention whether driver was on the left or in the middle. Idea was to further improve it by fitting more in each autoloader, going to 12+38 477 would reuse that idea again, though this time smaller autoloader would occupy portion of turret basket itself [/QUOTE]
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