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T-74 instead of the T-80
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<blockquote data-quote="skylancer-3441" data-source="post: 527054" data-attributes="member: 11088"><blockquote data-quote="Cjc" data-source="post: 526999" data-attributes="member: 32260"><p><strong>2 person</strong> crew in the hull.</p></blockquote><p>3, including gunner sitting below unmanned but not remote-controlled (to full extent of the word) turret, and rotating with it.</p><blockquote data-quote="Cjc" data-source="post: 526999" data-attributes="member: 32260"><p>but they didn't like the idea of a tank with out a comander, leading to the tank being changed over the years into the object 477</p></blockquote><p>Commander was sitting side by side with the driver</p><p></p><p>So with regards to layout - nothing like T-14.</p><p></p><p></p><blockquote data-quote="Cjc" data-source="post: 526999" data-attributes="member: 32260"><p>Now what I'm curious about is what the west would do if Russia did choose the T-74 over the T-80</p></blockquote><p>...one might consider first what Russia would do if such tank was put into serial production.</p><p>It took ~10 years to iron out serial production of engine of T-64, and several years to iron out bugs of tank itself. All that - while other factories, which were supposed to produce T-64 along with Kharkov, just like when they all produced T-54/55, - were doing everything they could to avoid such fate, in favor of designs of their own.</p><p>And here's yet another "revolutionary tank" to deal with, and say ironing out that part of autoloader which actually moves ammo to gun and loads it - could take some time, even if such design survives all the way to serial production.</p><p></p><p>...which is not guaranteed, as for example by 1975 Morozov's view on next gen tank layout have evolved in favor of completely turretless rather-Strv103-alike-design, this time with crew of 2</p><p>here's picture:</p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/kharkovs-object-490-buntar-bokser-and-object-477-molot-advanced-tanks.22005/post-414594[/URL]</p><p>and here's description:</p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/kharkovs-object-490-buntar-bokser-and-object-477-molot-advanced-tanks.22005/post-419150[/URL]</p><p></p><p>Quite a change, but not for the first time -</p><p>432 as envisioned in 1960 looked quite different from one proposed in 1961, and even more so from one put into production in 1964, and there were more severe examples both from Kharkov and from other design bureaus - such as 775 for example, which was proposed as conventional 3-man tank, but prototype have become 2-man tank with crew in turret.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="skylancer-3441, post: 527054, member: 11088"] [QUOTE="Cjc, post: 526999, member: 32260"] [B]2 person[/B] crew in the hull. [/QUOTE] 3, including gunner sitting below unmanned but not remote-controlled (to full extent of the word) turret, and rotating with it. [QUOTE="Cjc, post: 526999, member: 32260"] but they didn't like the idea of a tank with out a comander, leading to the tank being changed over the years into the object 477 [/QUOTE] Commander was sitting side by side with the driver So with regards to layout - nothing like T-14. [QUOTE="Cjc, post: 526999, member: 32260"] Now what I'm curious about is what the west would do if Russia did choose the T-74 over the T-80 [/QUOTE] ...one might consider first what Russia would do if such tank was put into serial production. It took ~10 years to iron out serial production of engine of T-64, and several years to iron out bugs of tank itself. All that - while other factories, which were supposed to produce T-64 along with Kharkov, just like when they all produced T-54/55, - were doing everything they could to avoid such fate, in favor of designs of their own. And here's yet another "revolutionary tank" to deal with, and say ironing out that part of autoloader which actually moves ammo to gun and loads it - could take some time, even if such design survives all the way to serial production. ...which is not guaranteed, as for example by 1975 Morozov's view on next gen tank layout have evolved in favor of completely turretless rather-Strv103-alike-design, this time with crew of 2 here's picture: [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/kharkovs-object-490-buntar-bokser-and-object-477-molot-advanced-tanks.22005/post-414594[/URL] and here's description: [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/kharkovs-object-490-buntar-bokser-and-object-477-molot-advanced-tanks.22005/post-419150[/URL] Quite a change, but not for the first time - 432 as envisioned in 1960 looked quite different from one proposed in 1961, and even more so from one put into production in 1964, and there were more severe examples both from Kharkov and from other design bureaus - such as 775 for example, which was proposed as conventional 3-man tank, but prototype have become 2-man tank with crew in turret. [/QUOTE]
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