The Army and navy, mainly the Army, is LITERALLY Testing and funding that as we speak.
IIRC it explicitly is.
Just like there was no program of record to deploy 5" SAL projectiles or even Excalibur N5s.
We could probably lash a few containerized Mk70 units onto the foredecks of those ships. Even the Lewis-and-Clarks.
You've used this hull designation enough that I don't think it's a typo. What do you think you are referring to?
If we are to assume that the USN munitions depot is located a days drive from port.
The big problem here is that the 'floor' has risen immensely over the last 3 decades and change, and Congress is unwilling to see it, as it has gone back to its skinflint ways regarding the military. Especially after it came as close to treason as you could during the 1970s, by Thatcherizing the shipyards and then ensuring that any overt program to upgrade them was killed.
Honestly, looking into both programs they both would have met their goals if Navy wasn't playing politics. Both are great early designs IMHO. I can only imagine the only winners to stopping either, is the enemy.
The Navy has to play politics because they need congresscritters to OK its projects. People just forget that Congress has been and always will be a skinflint when it comes to military matters. The Cold War is literally an anomaly in that regard.
The problem is that we're in a technological context where our assumptions on democracy are obsolete, but that discussion isn't for here, though.idk man i prefer democracy
DoD wastes so much money its not even funny, so making them talk to somebody not high on their own supply is vastly better than the alternative
You can give the military more final say in their doings and still have a Democracy boss.
DoD wastes so much money its not even funny, so making them talk to somebody not high on their own supply is vastly better than the alternative
The only real problem with the pre-1990s setup was that it was extremely vulnerable to the media pulling hit pieces to sink a program, as the Sgt. York showed.
There's also the fact that almost none of Congress is sufficiently educated or well informed enough to be making procurement decisions.
Especially since Reagan slaughtered the elements of the government whose job was to do that.
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Wait, I was told guns were obsolete.China's Largest Modern Naval Gun To Date Just Appeared On A Test Ship
A new 155mm gun could give Chinese warships added firepower for amphibious operations, as well as against targets at sea or even in the air.
Given the reported caliber of the gun, I suspect it is intended to at least be compatible with 155mm artillery shells. It may also have HVP and maybe even LRLAP-equivalent rounds, but I'm feeling "basic 155mm for landing support or blasting fishing boats"
Guns are great for when you’re out of missiles.
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Weren't you saying in other threads you didn't believe in long range ASM or BVR combat. You should love big guns then.
Yeah, that's what the AGS was for.
Agreed there, but the AGS wasn't ambitious enough. There should have been AA projectiles too with the goal of supplementing ESSM/RAM.
There probably would have been if Congress had authorized more than 3 ships (and so 6 guns)
There was an ADA projectile design for the AGS.
Blame Congress for that. The reason Japan and South Korea dominate the shipbuilding market is that they effectively nationalized their shipbuilding industries and forced them to update at gunpoint. The US went the exact opposite because of stupidity.
I assure you the decline of American shipbuilding is not by stupidity. I would argue about whether it was intentional or unplanned but that takes us OT. Risk aversion has radically raised prices, too. It's a risky business and competition should be separating chaff from the grains. I do not accept a 40-50% premium for buying American. If we need to start getting prices under control and that may mean pitting domestic versus foreign prices against each other during crisis.
I don't think Japan or Korea had to force anyone to get into the shipbuilding industry, or to stay current with the state of the art. And although I wouldn't go so far as to say they are effectively nationalized, both nations understood shipbuilding to be a national priority and offered loans and subsidies sufficient promote the industry, which I suppose is close enough. I would say the US's elimination of our own subsidies in the 80s was stupid, but given all the other variables that go into building an effective shipbuilding industry, and how many of them were negative for us, the subsidies were kind of a “band-aids on a broken leg” type situation. I don't think this is the sort of thing where we can let the free market shake it out and end up with a robust domestic shipbuilding industry afterwards. Unless American shipbuilders can get their hands on steel that is cheap and plentiful enough to compete with Korean and Japanese inputs, and unless both of those countries have labor costs that are approaching parity with us, US shipbuilding is still going to lose on cost in any perfectly fair competition. Maybe the Japanese and Korean governments have put their thumbs on the scale, but we would have to really REALLY put our thumbs on the scale, and keep them there permanently, for the industry to keep a foothold in the US. This is also complicated by the fact that most of the places where you might want to put new yards are hurricane-wracked malarial mud islands on the gulf, and you can't build in the same places on the coasts that you used to build, because they (and just about every other mile of open shoreline) have either become a giant container terminal (good luck keeping your economy running after you take THAT offline), or the Harborview Luxury Condos at The Yard, or the Skip Fliegelman Memorial Wetlands, or are 10 years into a superfund cleanup program with the EPA trying to get the PCBs out of the soil so people don't end up with new and medically interesting cancers after working there, so trying to solve the damn thing is like jumping into a thorn bush.
From where I sit, it's stupidity by ignorance at best... at least from what I remember. Made even worse by Ronald 'The Government is your Enemy' Reagan, killing the part of the government that keeps the elected officials informed.
From my understanding, Korea and Japan may appear not to have nationalized their shipbuilding industries, but their actions suggest they effectively did. The government should have stepped in and helped fix the problem instead of pulling what it did, and now we're paying the price.
... and it's an analysis that needed to be done yesterday. ...though I might be afraid that it's too late.
