Surface Ships Need More Offensive Punch, Outlook

Scott Kenny said:
Requires you to have that specific acoustic signature before you can tell the mine to only blow up when you hear it.
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I cannot imagine this is difficult. Mines capable of identifying specific power plants go back to the 1980s at least.


Scott Kenny said:
China has stolen a lot of islands, hasn't gotten a war started yet.
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They have made a lot of islands and harassed a lot of others; I think it’s been awhile since they just up and took one. And in most cases, such seizures were of unpopulated locations, though there was an attack on some Vietnamese troops in the 80s IIRC.
 
Grey Havoc said:
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Some part of me wonder if naval warfare would converge on land warfare one day.

When there are enough (stealthy) static defenses and other fixed assets for fronts and likes. Serious nations would build a sosus-styled systems for coastal defense, to be added to networked mines and likes.
 
shin_getter said:
Some part of me wonder if naval warfare would converge on land warfare one day.

When there are enough (stealthy) static defenses and other fixed assets for fronts and likes. Serious nations would build a sosus-styled systems for coastal defense, to be added to networked mines and likes.
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Unlikely, simply because of how hard it is to get down there, even with ROVs and UUVs.
 
Moose said:
www.stripes.com

Navy budget aims to cut funds for shipbuilding by upward of $16 billion, top senator says

The Navy is proposing a $16 billion cut to shipbuilding in 2026 and does not intend to move forward with a plan to purchase at least new six warships, the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee said Tuesday.
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Surface ships need to exist, first and foremost
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So cut ship building and cut the F/A-XX. The USN scores another brilliant self-own. Someone should tell whichever intern is running the show over there that China is out building us about ten to one.
 
Sferrin said:
So cut ship building and cut the F/A-XX. The USN scores another brilliant self-own. Someone should tell whichever intern is running the show over there that China is out building us about ten to one.
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I serious doubt "Big Balls" gives a shit.
 
Moose said:
I serious doubt "Big Balls" gives a shit.
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I seriously doubt "Big Balls" is running the country. That's the USN volunteering to kill ship building.

"The Navy is proposing a $16 billion cut to shipbuilding in 2026 and does not intend to move forward with plans to purchase at least six new warships, the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee said Tuesday."

Not seeing, "Big Balls" anywhere in that equation.
 
Maybe if we stopped deploying the military against Americans and stopped hosting unnecessary military parades we'd have more money to spend on necessary stuff
 
Sferrin said:
I seriously doubt "Big Balls" is running the country. That's the USN volunteering to kill ship building.

"The Navy is proposing a $16 billion cut to shipbuilding in 2026 and does not intend to move forward with plans to purchase at least six new warships, the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee said Tuesday."

Not seeing, "Big Balls" anywhere in that equation.
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It is not clear who is running the country right now, with Elon gone.
 
Almost like gutting the Pentagon, DOT&E, and installing a SecNAV with no relation to the Navy doesn’t create good results. Who could’ve seen that coming?
 
Sferrin said:
And who approved them.
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A Republican senate. So end to end, MAGA owns everything now. If bad procurement decisions are being made for the USN, it is because of the current administration, the House budget, and senate confirmations. There is no Democrat to blame.
 
US Navy Shipbuilding and has been in a death spiral for quite a while now.

We are not where we are because of only this Administration or the previous one.

We seemingly nolonger know how to design and build naval vessels.

If you judge by the merits and costs, LCS, the Zumwalts and now the new Frigates, the Navy's top brass is as dysfunctional as the shipbuilders and civilian leadership.

Heck, throw the Coast Guard's OPC program in there as well. A fairly simple ship has turned into a train wreck.
 
Don't you mean the industrial military complex... where the well cared for have become complacent in their work ethics.

Anyhow, could it be the sum of all the cuts happens to amount as much as is needed to retrofit a certain surplus gifted plane?
 
Seragina said:
Don't you mean the industrial military complex... where the well cared for have become complacent in their work ethics.

Anyhow, could it be the sum of all the cuts happens to amount as much as is needed to retrofit a certain surplus gifted plane?
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There is a lot of blame to go around for the state of the US Navy.

The MIC will surely take every dollar you throw at it but the Navy's leadership and civilian leadership are culpable as well.

This is obvious.
 
What is the steelman for this shipbuilding budget cut? I'm listening to the HASC hearing now, and I've yet to hear a good argument for this.
 
I'd only gut shipbuilding if guaranteed that SK, Japan and maybe Oz is build new US warships. Either way is a short sighted decision, and no way the USN is getting any number of ships if billed in the double digit billions. I'd rather the safer, more efficient path.
 
yeetmahboi said:
I'd only gut shipbuilding if guaranteed that SK, Japan and maybe Oz is build new US warships. Either way is a short sighted decision, and no way the USN is getting any number of ships if billed in the double digit billions. I'd rather the safer, more efficient path.
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I think these are just Washington budgetary games. The money will most likely be reinstated in a different bill a little bit down the road.

The bigger issue is, in my opinion, that despite money spent to improve our shipbuilding and ship maintenance capacity, that capacity has seemingly not improved.

The way ships are designed, procured, built and maintained needs to be reformed and not only in superficial ways.
 
To all participants here, please read Paul's post #2,185 from last Wednesday !
The theme here is how ships could get more offensive punch, not shipbuilding in general, and that theme could be entirely discussed without mentioning just a single person, as long, as it isn't the name of a ship maybe ...
 
joshjosh said:
What is the steelman for this shipbuilding budget cut? I'm listening to the HASC hearing now, and I've yet to hear a good argument for this.
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I still believe this is more budgetary gamesmanship than anything.

That being said, the Sec of the Navy did say that at the rate ships are being built, just using the money that has already been allocated, it will take industry ten years to build all the ships already contracted for.
 
Jimmo952 said:
I still believe this is more budgetary gamesmanship than anything.

That being said, the Sec of the Navy did say that at the rate ships are being built, just using the money that has already been allocated, it will take industry ten years to build all the ships already contracted for.
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I don’t think that’s a surprise to anyone, and was probably part of the plan when ordered.
 

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