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Hi, I found anther project for a jet bomber designed before the SNCAC NC-270 it was
the SNCAC NC-200.
 

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Don't know this one (you learn something everyday here!) but here's the NC-270 (from Prototypes.com)
 

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I am sorry,I will correct my mistake,
the projects of bombers before the SNCAC were : SNCAC NC-200 and SNASO SO-71
long range heavy bombers; and anther project from Breguet ,the Br-780 bomber.
 

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do you have any drawings of these planes? were they piston-powered or jet-powered?
 

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I don't have any drawings ,but I think they were a jet aircraft.
 

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in Airplane Five-View magazine :

- SNCAC NC-1150B4-01.
I suggest that was a business jet aircraft and was mention in anther topic under Nord aircraft.
 

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Looking very antiquated, the concept of the 3-engined transport wasn't absolutely
dead after WW II, as can be seen by the Northrop -23/25.
Here it was SNCAC, using again this old formula for the NC.300.
Some data : 3 Wasp Junior engines, max.speed 265 km/h, range with 2000kg payload
1000 km, with 2500kg 500 km, take-off run approx.500m to clear a 20m obstacle.
 

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Hi,

SNCAC NC-110 :four engined high altitude bomber.

NOTE: this is an early (pre-1945 project) added here for easier reference.
 

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SNCAC NC.858 :NC.853 conversion with 90 hp Cont C.90-12F engine.
SNCAC NC.859 :glider towing NC.853 with 105 hp Walter Minor 4-IIIW
engine.
.. and then the SNCAC types and to add a lesser known one-off example,
there's the twin engined derivative of the 850 series, the NC.860 :
 

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also from my dear Jemiba:
SNCAC NC.260 :was a project for jet inercopter powered by Turbomeca engine.
 

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Hi,

SNCAC NC.160 :was twin engined single seat fighter project
of orthodox design,and powered by two Hispano-Suiza 12 Z
engine and estimated speed 815km/h.
 

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Hi,

SNCAC NC.200 :was derivative from bomber design as twin
engined two seat fighter project,powered by two Gnome-Rhone
14 R piston engine and it has span 22m and length 18.50m.
 

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Hi,

the SNCAC NC.260,I spoke about it before,it was single seat
jet fighter,and SNCASO SO.6010 project of single seat jet
fighter ,it had estimated speed 900 km/h and 10000m altitude
but it was not built in favour of SNCASO SO.6020.
 

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Thanks Jens. Great stuff!

The NC 110 looks nothing like what William Green descibed. The wing planform resembles the NC 223 series but not the empennage or engine arrangement.

[Apologies, I was confusing the NC 140 for the NC 110.]

The NC 110 appears to have twin engines driving contraprops. Did AFM give any powerplant details? Might the NC 110 have had a tandem-engine arrangement along the lines of the Laté 299A conversion? There doesn't seem to be room but this looks like a lot of airframe for just two engines of the day.
 

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Hi,

has anyone a 3-view to SNCAC NC.1090 naval fighter aircraft ?.
 

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Hesham,
I only find a 3V of the SNCAC NC-1080 naval fighter prototype. But unfortunatly nothing on the NC-1090.
So just in case.

From "Les avions de combat francais 1944-1960" Jean Cuny Volume 1 "Chasse-Assault", Collection Docavia Editions Lariviere 1988
 

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Hello, would anyone be able to recommend a source for images of the S.N.C.A.C NC.110 at all? I've always wondered what this design would have looked like (the Farman/S.N.C.A.C NC.223 series are a personal favourite). I agree with Apophenia that a mélange of NC.223.4 and NC.150 is easy to visualise, but an image would be wonderful to see. I wonder if I can modify one of my Azur 1/72 Farman 223 kits to make a NC.110?

For the striking Bréguet Br.482, I recommend Le Fana de l'Aviation, No. 339; February 1998. Pages 14 to 23 by Philippe Ricco & Jean Lacroze.

For the more awkward looking S.N.C.A.O CAO-700, I recommend.........

Air Magazine, No. 34; October/November 2006. Pages 4 to 11 by José Fernandez; with a 4-view colour profile (this French publisher has also co-produced a spectacular, but expensive 1/72 resin kit of the CAO-700).
Aéro Journal, No. 17; February/March 2001. Pages 38 to 43, by Philippe Ricco.

The CAO-700 is derived from the wonderfully outlandish Loire-Nieuport LN.10 seaplane; surely deserving of a new thread?
http://www.aviafrance.com/aviafrance1.php?ID=1074&ID_CONSTRUCTEUR=837

All best wishes, Terry, (Caravellarella).
 

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Caravellarella said:
Hello, would anyone be able to recommend a source for images of the S.N.C.A.C NC.110 at all?
As Jemiba mentioned earlier, there was am NC-110 piece in the Aug./Sept. 2005 edition of Aviation Francais Magazine.

AFM n°5 (Août/Septembre 2005), p37 (SNCAC NC-110 monograph by Philippe Ricco).

I started work on an NC-110 image but, par for the course, got sidetracked ... :p
 

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My apologies Apophenia; my confusion, my typo. I really should have typed S.N.C.A.C NC.140 instead. An image of the NC.140 would be wonderful to see; it does make me wonder how Aérocentre/Farman would have reconciled a braced high wing and the tandem-engine nacelles to a circular-section fuselage. Do you suppose the NC.140's pressure cabin was otherwise just pressure vessel embedded in a conventional fuselage? The same way Vickers did with their high altitude Wellington bomber?

All best wishes, Terry, (Caravellarella).
 
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