SETI

The epic efforts of the SETI program to detect radio signals from other galactic civilizations are ill-conceived. In my opinion, a more advanced civilization will have already figured out how to send faster-than-light messages.

I imagine the scientists of the school of Sagres looking towards the ocean from the coast of Portugal trying to discover in 1457 the smoke signals made by the American Indians.
 
A classic example of where the headline and what the actual paper says are two different things.

To be clear, Loeb isn’t claiming there are quintillions of alien craft zooming around our corner of the Milky Way. After all, he’s never said that ‘Oumuamua is definitely a robotic probe or crewed craft—just that we should be open to the possibility.

So what Loeb and Ezell calculated isn’t the population of alien craft. It’s the population of possible alien craft or other possible artificial objects. Leftover ET rocket parts. Unexplainable fragments of alien technology beyond our understanding. That kind of thing.

They actually came up with two numbers. One for all interstellar objects, including those that are zipping randomly around and across the solar system and aren’t likely to pass within view of our instruments. That’s a staggering 40,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (or 40 decillion).

The lower number, 4 quintillion, is for objects that seem to be directed toward the “habitable zone” of the solar system, close to the sun. That’s where Earth orbits, and where astronomers have some chance of spotting a passing object.

Loeb also highlighted the Vera C. Rubin Observatory that’s under construction in Chile. Set to open in 2023, the observatory with its 3.2-billion-pixel camera should be able to survey the entire southern sky every four days. “A high-resolution image could reveal bolts and screws on the surface of an artificial object and distinguish it from a nitrogen iceberg, a hydrogen iceberg or a dust bunny,” Loeb said.

‘Oumuamua was a missed opportunity. Sure, Loeb is open to the idea it’s an alien probe, but most astronomers aren’t. If we can get a closer look at the next ‘Oumuamua, maybe more scientists will come around to the idea it might be an alien craft.


Here’s the paper itself.

 
Eight new SETI signal candidates:

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There were five stars in the collection so two were from same stars but at different frequencies. They were narrowband, but haven't been picked up on repeat observation.
 
47 Ursa Majoris is of more interest to me. A brighter star than Sol. Gas giant more massive than Jupiter that's closer in (asteroid belt distance.) Insolation distance really the same as Mars? Any moon may have water, volcanism-lends itself to metallurgy-busy sky like toys over crib as a target to reach for...

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The rare earth hypothesis is the biggest load of BS in science. It’s a theory that as it says in the video below the more you dig into it the more problematic it becomes. It over extrapolates from a single data point and makes no allowance for multiple parallel paths to intelligent life. That how can you really express any opinion on a subject where we have no true data outside of ourselves which is equivalent to no data at all.

Professor David Kipping- The Problem with the Rare Earth Hypothesis:

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A prominent Harvard physicist is planning a Pacific expedition to find what he thinks might be an alien artefact that smashed into the ocean.
Avi Loeb announced that he is organizing a $1.5m ocean expedition to Papua New Guinea to look for fragments of an object that crashed off the coast of its Manus Island in 2014.
Loeb noticed the object in 2019 and identified it as the first interstellar meteor ever discovered – meaning it originated outside our solar system. According to Loeb, the meteor’s interstellar origin was confirmed to Nasa in April 2022 by the Department of Defense’s space command.

 
Project SETI use AI tools to interpret whale song, very early results suggest that it’s possible whales have vowels. That was featured on episode one of the Royal Institution lectures this year broadcast over the festive period on the BBC. On the episode it was stated that very early results show it’s possible they have vowels in their songs.

View: https://youtu.be/4inPLpfe6T0?si=QdTAGX_e8x9dwVlq
 
The epic efforts of the SETI program to detect radio signals from other galactic civilizations are ill-conceived. In my opinion, a more advanced civilization will have already figured out how to send faster-than-light messages.

I imagine the scientists of the school of Sagres looking towards the ocean from the coast of Portugal trying to discover in 1457 the smoke signals made by the American Indians.

But a less advanced civilisation, say similar to our own would be inadvertently broadcasting radio into space just like we are, and transit time means we can see backwards in time, a civilisation like ours on the other side of the Milky Way making its first radio broadcasts would be reaching us today 105,000 years later.
 
But a less advanced civilisation, say similar to our own would be inadvertently broadcasting radio into space just like we are, and transit time means we can see backwards in time, a civilisation like ours on the other side of the Milky Way making its first radio broadcasts would be reaching us today 105,000 years later.
In 1957, astronomers of the Ohio State University started to scan the cosmos by means of a radio-telescope searching signs of radio transmissions from hypothetical extraterrestrial civilizations. Acting with an anthropocentric mind, they addressed their instruments to the stars Tau Ceti (spectral class G) and Epsilon Eridani (spectral class K) for being the nearest among those like our Sun. In their search, they selected the wavelengths between 18 and 21 centimeters, corresponding to the spectral lines of the hydroxyl radical and the hydrogen, the band of electromagnetic spectrum named Water hole. They were looking for the existence of water in these star systems.

But water is not the only possible solvent for life chemistry, it all depends on environmental conditions. In 99 per cent of the cosmos, temperatures are so low that water can be replaced by liquid ammonia, liquid methane, liquid hydrogen fluoride, liquid nitrogen, liquid oxygen, liquid hydrogen, liquid helium, or liquid argon. Even mercury and lava could be considered in environments with extreme temperatures and pressures. Carbon is also not essential, which can be replaced by phosphorus or silicon.

The search has continued to this day using increasingly sophisticated equipment capable of simultaneously monitoring a large number of radio frequencies, but so far they have found nothing.

It is naive to assume that intelligent creatures from a distant star system use such an unpractical communication as radio (limited to the speed of light in a universe full of interference) just because it was the best channel we had in 1957.

Interstellar distances are so huge that the transmissions of our most powerful equipment are 50,000,000 weaker when they reach the Centauri System four years later and 1,000,000,000 weaker when they reach, if ever, the center of the Galaxy within 26,000 years. It may be assumed that a more advanced civilization than ours has had time to develop something more efficient.

Science Fiction writers have 'solved' the issue by imagining a subspace transmitter using Faster Than Light (FTL) technology, something that violates Einstein's established paradigm. Everyone knows this is impossible, but my neural network by defect tells me it will finally be built by someone who did not know it... or we will stay here until the Sun freezes!

The FTL hypothesis starts out from the assumption that technological progress has no upper limit. But we must consider the possibility that the human mind be incapable of solving the problem. Nor can we lift a ton of weight, fly, run at 100 mph, breath underwater, or see Uranus, the heat, or the bacteria... but we have found a way to build machines that do it for us.

Maybe Artificial Intelligence will uncover the secrets of the FTL.

In my opinion, the search for ET is poorly raised because, in short, it all depends on what we are looking for, how we are looking for it and what we hope to find.

Alien life is very possible due to the abundant variety of amino acids found by radio astronomers in interstellar clouds.

Intelligent alien life is statistically probable (Frank Drake equation).

Intelligent alien life interested in interstellar travel is less probable. It would have to be an energy rich culture, with the curiosity of a young civilization (in ours, it only lasted 40 years) and with the conquest spirit of some mad individuals. Difficult that all these factors coincide in the same society.

Chronologically speaking it is not very probable that two civilizations evolve at the same time and are ready for contact. A few thousand years are not much for a galaxy and a too long period for the UN, NATO, or the Third Reich.

There is the theory of cyclical history as proposed by Oswald Spengler and developed in fiction by A.E. van Vogt, Robert A. Heinlein, and Isaac Asimov. According to that theory, a civilization can be ‘young’ and even barbaric, and yet high-tech, since civilizations comes and goes, though most of the technological progress done by the previous civilizations are not forgotten.
 
I believe the current furthest observed radio emission is the natural 21cm 'hydrogen line' from atomic hydrogen 4.9 billion light years away in galaxy SDSSJ0826+5630 by the Metrewave Radio Telescope in Pune, India thanks to a 30 factor gravitational lensing, the signal took 8.8bn years to reach us due to being on the opposite side of the expanding universe. No matter how weak a signal through distance it will continue to travel.
 
Mr Cronin has developed a paper in Assembly Theory, which on the surface has potential to reveal signs of life on other planets and star systems. It also has potential for guiding what to look for, for intelligent life.
The roots of this theory are obviously from chemistry....

However there are deep possibilities lurking in this theory that have implications for physics and even consciousness.

Obviously this has upset everyone, but the way it's upset them and how they're failing to counter it, exposes the possibility he's onto something important here.
 

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