Saunders Roe SR/A.1 variants

[Justo Miranda]

From iso publications 1996

 

[Jemiba]

Especially interesting is the MAEE (Marine Aircraft Experimental Establishment)
proposal from 1943, as it is in fact the first britsh design for a swept wing
aircraft.
(see: Air International 10/96)

 

[Barrington Bond]

What about the Westland Pterodactyl series?

Regards,
Barry

 

[Jemiba]

Well, good question, I must admit !
Maybe we are starting a discussion like "What is an aircraft" ...
The Westland Pterodactyl was a kind of flying wing, the sweep back probably
was just used to keep CG in the limit, not to achiev aerodynamic benefits.
But in fact it WAS a swept wing, you're quite right and if the MAEE proposal
wasn't using sweep back for the same reason, I'm not sure.
Sorry, hadn't look into the thirties ... :

 

[Barrington Bond]

I did wonder if you meant "first jet engined design with sweepback"?

Perhaps there was something earlier but the Pterodactyls suddenly swooped into my forebrain and I couldn't resist taunting you!

Regards,
Barry

 

[Justo Miranda]

What about the Westland Pterodactyl series?

Regards,
Barry

Good article in AIR ENTHUSIAST No 64 July/August 1996

 

[Jemiba]

".. and I couldn't resist taunting you!"
Absolutely ok, I can stand it !
And you're right, too, that the claim in AI says "first jet engined design with sweepback" !
Well, in my mind swept wings are always part of a fast, mostly jet aircraft, but that's not
part of the definition of swept wing. So "More precision, please" ;D

 

[Jemiba]

Another SR/A.1 variant we've still forgotten was the P.122.2 with lateral intakes,
allowing for a nose radom. An artist's impression can be found in Tony Buttlers
BSP on page 174.

 

[Barrington Bond]

Lovely adverts - if only it happened...

 

[Barrington Bond]

Some more...

 

[inkworm]

I know this is an old thread but thought better to add this 'what if' scheme here, assuming it had made it to Korea that is.

 

[dogsbody]

I like that. Nice drawing.

 

[Spark]

Super pictorial illustrations from Aeroplane.
Saunders Roe SR/1A, there is a video clip loop shown at the Science Museum, London.
There was an earlier UK aircraft with a sophisticated swept wing that saw military service in Canada, United States, and UK as well as being built and flown in France as a civil aircraft.( sorry not a jet)
There was a design for a Naval twin turbofan sweptwing bomber that appears to pre-date the proposed Saro aircraft.

There was a early reference to a too-early Airspeed blended-hull seaplane fighter for which I have seen no illustration but there was a scheme proposed based on it with a front centrifugal jet, bifurcated jetpipe, four cannon, blended-hull, T-tail and a pilot sitting behind the c.g.,

".. and I couldn't resist taunting you!"
Absolutely ok, I can stand it !
And you're right, too, that the claim in AI says "first jet engined design with sweepback" !
Well, in my mind swept wings are always part of a fast, mostly jet aircraft, but that's not
part of the definition of swept wing. So "More precision, please" ;D

 

[lordroel]

Do not know if this design has been discussed before on the forum, but the Saunders-Roe SR.A/1 jet-propelled fighter flying boat while never entering into production is a nice looking sea plane, especially if you look at these 4 images below of the advertisement of the plane.

Image I

Image II

Image III

Image IV

 

[TomS]

Previous thread with the same art, I believe.

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/saunders-roe-sr-a-1-variants.3488/

 

[Tzoli]

When this plane was proposed? 1940-41? Because KGV had UP launchers only for a short period of time!

 

[Justo Miranda]

Please see https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/saunders-roe-sr-a-1-variants.3488/

 

[lordroel]

Previous thread with the same art, I believe.

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/saunders-roe-sr-a-1-variants.3488/

Thanks, i tried searching for it but i could not found it, but still a nice plane, would it be of use, i do not know.

 

[Archibald]

Wow. Straight out of E.P. Jacobs Blake & Mortimer.

 

[lordroel]

Thanks for the merger.

 

[shedofdread]

Illustration of test tank.

 

[robinbird]

A scale working model of the proposed Saunders Roe SR1 jet seaplane was tested on the Gareloch by the Marine Aircraft Experimental Establishment. It was propelled by solid fuel and had ailerons and rudder etc. It was radio controlled by a test pilot from RAF Helensburgh. All hush hush at the time.

 

[hesham]

From, 1947-01-01_La_Science_et_la_vie.

 

[TsrJoe]

https://www.abbottaerospace.com/dow...led-boat-seaplane-fighter-saunders-roe-e6-44/

 

[robinbird]

There was a young boffin at RAF Helensburgh familiar with the SR1 jet drawings-his name James Hamilton, later knighted for design work on Concorde's swept wing.

 

[TsrJoe]

SR. A/1 spinning model ... https://collection.sciencemuseumgro...ngvAfHWaRrUJ4aVOvQ_aem_piwKcQrYJUqyvHQotQRSIw

SR. A/1 hydrodynamic model

SR. A/1 weapons load