Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier class ( Program CVF ) on active duty

Ainen said:
Uss Enterprise during Cuban missile crisis carried a wing of strategic bombers. Also, it wasn't considered something primary by Soviets, ballistic missile and SAC bombers were.
This carrier role is mostly outdated(french keep it barely alive to some degree, of course). It was growing outdated right then, in fact, with shift to Polaris fleet.
Also, being blunt, UK economy is incapable of 6-carrier navy with such airwing.

Deterrent against whom?
You need to grow back global empire to do gunboat diplomacy, as to deter someone against relevant action x.
Otherwise it'll look like QE in SCS again: rather pitiful, yet expensive geopolitical show. About as relevant as Italian performances on China station in 1930s.

None are direct UK threats.
The closest one, Russia, isn't a naval threat, and carriers can have any primary relevance against Russia(i.e. when they're more impactful than other means) only when it has a navy. In modern era, it doesn't.
Massive UK investment into a stretched surface fleet is basically the best scenario for Russia...

China is a bit far away, and is a bit stronger.

DPRK is further still, and again, it just doesn't care about UK carrier power, 1 carrier or 16. They already live with hostile air force right over the border, twice the size of RAF.

Like, look at what you're doing. The only two entities you can negatively affect with 6-6 navy (funny historical parallels) is US and EU. Girls scandal isn't a big enough fallout to burn Washington just yet.
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So why when anything gets hot, we park one or two carrier strike groups in the vicinity and normally things either calm down or we strike the targets? Yes, we have the bombers (they have to prep and the flight time) and we do have the SSBNs but why do you think we have carrier strike groups deployed globally, initially as deterrence? If China's military growth keeps increasing and they decide they want to be a real blue water Navy like the US then China could threaten any country, including the US and Europe. If China had a fleet of 10 to 12 large carriers, you know damn well they would deploy into the European theater. We (the US) cover everybody's asses anyway that is why "other countries" do not build their fleets up and have gotten to reliant with US protection.
 
I think we still need Carrier, for 5 reasons:

1) Help out like the Canada or the Aussies, the New Zealand and other the Allied, under attack by China or Other threats (could be American as if they attack Canada or Greenland).

2) To fight distance rather wait for them to come fight near Uk which would difficult to defend as they will shield the fleet and fire long-range missiles which we don't have a defence against for Imt.CBM, hypersonic so best to fight them in the distance

3) Attack another country with a Carrier if the countries / Nations refuse to give us use airport to fight, or Falklands war part 2, so we need the carrier to strike them.

4) "What if" without USA Support for example Trump refused to help the UK or they left NATO so the UK needs to handle we would need Carrier's mission.

5) British Carriers often can multi-purpose humanitarian missions or other strike missions can adjusted the suitable the required, as flagship, and many more.

these reasons I think it the important to keep them to safeguard the UK.

that why i want see
"3" Carriers QE with Project ARK
"3" hybrid type UAXC Drone Carrier <--> Landing Helicopter Platform Carrier with Well Dock for Ampbious boat / landing craft. replace our

so 3 rotation Carrier strike Fleet - in peace time or 3 Strike Fleet in war so one will force north and one focus on south and one other location..

only issues is lack manpower and lack escort.
 
I think we best focus on Escort ships first before as we are very under power or very weak escort for currently carrier strike fleet. (at moment rough 18-24)

i prefer to see Royal Navy have these

6-9 (prefer 9) x Type 83 AA/ASW/Anti-ICBM Cruiser
8-12x Type 26 ASW Frigate
6x Upgrade Type 45 AA & Anti-ICBM Destroyer (or replace them 8-12x non-stealth type 26 with focus AAW as T4X AAW & anti-ICBMFrigate)
6-9x Type 31 Basic ASW / Basic AA / Modular Mission Manned (Drug dealer or Escort Ship or Support Fleet etc)
6-9x Type 32 Basic ASW / Basic AA / Modular Mission Unmanned - Drone Mothership / Minelayer / Mine sweeper, Warship Survey Ship, Cable Protect mission

at moment we just have roughly 18-24 Fleet ready-action it is not good it is a very low - barebone fleet - so we need to increase to 32 Escort Fleet for start.. as priority...

Maybe i don't like this idea "maybe" Good idea sell one QE class to fund increase Escort Fleet - and replace 2 new future carrier x DronexLHA when once got enough money (increase 3-5%) and keep 1 old QE carrier to 3 Carrier Strike fleet)

(non-Escort Fleet) List

9x SIGMA 9113 Corvette (Replace River Class Mk.2)
for Coastal missions or Escort Ship (ie Russian ship), or outpost stations ie Falkand, Gibatator etc.

Submarine
6-9x Austue Class (Hunter Killer Sub)
6-9x AUKUS Submarine (Attack Sub)
4-6x ICBM Dreadnought class Submarine (ICBM Sub)

MRSS
8-12x MRSS (6-9x ELLIDA 180/200 type "Support Ship" Multi-Purpose Tanker or logical, Transport, Troop Transport or ambiphious assault and Survery, humanitarian , Ambulance Ship, many more roles etc / 2-3x Fearless Class "warship Lithoal Strike MRSS" for Royal Marine LRG)

Drone/Sloop of war
??x XV Patrick Blackett enlarged size with 40mm cannon (shipping container as missile launcher fc-asw / spear 3, camm or mission modular, Rescue etc more options)
and more type

Carrier
3x QE Carrier - Hybrid Style - STOBAR x Cat for CCA etc
3x Hybrid drone carrier UAX x LHA well dock

ofc Aircraft / Helicopter / Drone (i not include these list for now)
please remember i am not expert navy stuff just curiously and hobby ;-)
 
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Too early to say Grey Havoc, I would think unless push comes to shove then the F-35Bs that are embarked they are more than capable to win a fight.
 
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www.telegraph.co.uk

Golf, ‘Beer Starmer’ and a toxic gas leak – on board an aircraft carrier with the PM

HMS Prince of Wales set to head biggest British naval embarkation since Falklands War in message of unity to West
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www.bbc.com

Starmer to visit aircraft carrier HMS Prince of Wales on voyage

The vessel is travelling to multiple locations, including the Middle East, over eight months.
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I have a suspicion that Starmer is once again trying to wrap himself in the flag to divert attention away from bad news such as the abject collapse of Anglo-French plans to send a force to the Ukraine.
 
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Grey Havoc said:
I have a suspicion that Starmer is once again trying to wrap himself in the flag to divert attention away from bad news such as the abject collapse of Anglo-French plans to send a force to the Ukraine.
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That won't even make a ripple as no-one took it seriously, without US involvement it was a non-starter from the word go, and no-one was going to bet on Trump getting involved. It's barely been reported.
 
And those peacekeeping forces would have quickly found themselves trapped in a Srebenica-like situation, except cubed for the worst. Because they would have been peacekeepers they could not pick a side (say, Ukraine) and would end us trapped between the two sides.
 
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Shows how many namby-pamby woke sailors we have now. Didn't get Nelson nipping in for a quick shower at the glorious Battle of Trafalgar did you? Back in my day when I fought the Second Great World War we just dabbed rum on our 'pits and picked our lice off. When we squished them, they made good juice to soften our hard tack with. These young 'uns have it too easy with their showers, TVs and air fryers.

Unpaywalled version: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl...carrier-go-months-without-showers/ar-AA1EM7GU
 
ABOARD AIRCRAFT CARRIER HMS PRINCE OF WALES – The U.K.’s first Carrier Strike Group will operate for four months in the Indo-Pacific to complete the full operational capability milestone for the Royal Navy’s carrier strike group concept. The exercises, which are a part of Operation Highmast, also demonstrate the U.K.’s commitment to the region, strike group commander Commodore James Blackmore said on Tuesday.

“Highmast is about developing in three key areas for us: It’s about developing full operational capability of the U.K. Carrier Strike Group; it’s about partnerships and allies in the Indo-Pacific region, where we are right now; and there’s an element about NATO forces as well, particularly when we are back in the Euro-Atlantic region,” said Blackmore in a media session on the flight deck of Prince of Wales while docked in Singapore. He was joined by the commanding officer of Prince of Wales, Capt. Will Blackett and Capt. Colin McGannity, Commander Air Group.

Blackmore added that the first phase of the deployment in the Mediterranean and Atlantic was meant to build the capabilities the UKCSG would bring to the Indo-Pacific, culminating in Exercise Mediterranean Strike with the Italian Navy Cavour CSG. Following a port visit to Souda Bay, Crete, the UKCSG transited the Suez Canal into the Indo-Pacific region on June 12 and arrived in Singapore on Monday.

Transit through the Red Sea was quiet, “Just the way we hoped for,” said Blackmore. The ships and aircraft of the UKCSG maintained a full alert posture during the transit.

“All of our assets were deployed airborne and our ships were in a posture that you would expect them to be in. We had to, in some ways, expect the worst, but we planned for everything,” stated COMUKCSG. He added that he was pleased with all the UKCSG teams’ performance thanks to thorough training for potential Houthi attacks in the Red Sea. The UKCSG’s three embarked Merlin Mk2 Airborne and Control (ASaC) helicopters, known as “Crowsnest,” were deployed to provide the CSG with long-range, over-the-horizon air, sea and land surveillance, detection and tracking. Blackmore said the Crowsnest “provides us with an incredible airborne surveillance control function so we understand what’s going on in the air environment.”.

The UKCSG consists of the carrier Prince of Wales, RN destroyer HMS Dauntless (D33), RN frigate HMS Richmond (F239), Royal Canadian Navy frigate HMCS Ville De Quebec (FFH332), Royal New Zealand Navy frigate HMNZS Te Kaha (F77), Royal Norwegian Navy frigate HNoMS Roald Amundsen (F311), Spanish Navy frigate ESPS Mendez Nunez (F-104) and fleet oiler RFA Tidespring (A136). Richmond and Mendez Nunez are now in Jakarta on a port visit while Ville De Quebec is at Port Klang, Malaysia for a port visit with the rest of the UKCSG in Singapore. Royal Australian Navy destroyer HMAS Sydney (DDG42) will join the CSG as it departs Singapore on Sunday along with the other detached escorts rejoining the CSG. Then the group will head to Australia to participate in the U.S.-Australian-led multilateral exercise Talisman Sabre from July 13 – Aug.4.

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Not sure if it's appropriate for this thread, but here's a photo of the QE from a couple of years ago. Taken from my kitchen window with a spotter scope and a phone
 

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Prince of Wales has pulled into Yokosuka after a week of naval exercises including British F-35's cross decking with the Japanese carrier JS Kaga. After a three week stay in Yokosuka PoW will be heading to Tokyo for a week.

www.japantimes.co.jp

Britain’s Prince of Wales aircraft carrier makes Japan debut

This is the second time that a British aircraft carrier has docked in Japan — after the HMS Queen Elizabeth in 2021.
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On a tangent, I'd love to hear an RN yellow shirt (aircraft director) explain the logic of spotting F-35s on the port sponson and next to the ski jump? Launching aircraft from these spots requires a slow, complex and inefficient series of deck movements, with each F-35 taxiing backwards to the launch spot (which is abeam of the forward elevator or rear island). They have to do this one by one, and during all this time the runway is blocked!

Seems very sub-optimal for sortie generation and if you need to launch strikes of more than 3-4 aircraft.

Typically on most carriers the ideal spotting locates fixed wing aircraft aft of their launch spots, allowing for an easy taxi forward to their launch point and minimal time blocking other aircraft from taking off. And helicopter spots could be better positioned on the port sponson or forward next to the ski jump (as on Cavour).
 

UK Carrier Strike Group to deploy to North Atlantic​

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UK Carrier Strike Group to deploy to North Atlantic - Naval News

Britain will send its Carrier Strike Group back to sea in 2026 in a major show of force across the Euro-Atlantic and High North, reinforcing NATO’s deterrence at a time of rising Russian threats in the region.
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