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They don't, because they never made a truly stealth vehicle to date.

You don't know how a combustion engine works because you never machined, assembled and ran one? That's quite the fallacy tbh.

One doesn't have to execute the theory into practice to know the theoretical aspects of something. Especially such an old and used rag like stealth technology isn't particularly hard to understand for people with the right qualifications, that stuff has been around for literal decades. The hard part is to achieve and optimize the stealth properties of an aircraft without comprising too much on literally any other aspect, like flight performance, structural integrity, safety, weight, payload capacity, speed, maintenance, cost etc. etc.

And I'd argue that's where it boils down to in this instance. How to create an aircraft with acceptable stealth characteristics, a large internal payload capacity, outstanding flight performance, ease of maintenance and all of that without breaking the bank. Which is when comprises are made. Engineering is all about comprising between various attributes and factors.
 
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They don't, because they never made a truly stealth vehicle to date.

Knowing how to calculate and reduce RCS is one thing. Rockwell knew that. They didn't win ATF because Northrop & Lockheed had built actual flying stealth aircraft and had been through the learning curve of designing building and operating. There is no substitute for doing it, iteratively.


Radome. It's spelt radome.
The Russian's have never seemed to put an emphasis on stealth/LO and they have stated this before. If you never see LO as important discriminator then you will not invest into developing the technology like the US had and has been doing for decades. The have always had different design approaches as compared to the US when it comes to platform types and what performance is important.
 
You don't know how a combustion engine works because you never machined, assembled and ran one? That's quite the fallacy tbh.

You are allegedly an engineering student, so you really should know better than these strawman arguments, for the sake of whomever flies or drives your future products.

Engineering is never theory alone. That's pure mathematics or something. Engineering is theory and implementation and production and operation. Design learnings come in all phases. The first person to build an engine might have known the theory but encountered a thousand issues in building it.

Rolls-Royce designed super reliable piston engines not by theory but by bench testing their designs to destruction and then iterating, iterating, iterating on the failed components. Sometimes there's no substitute for doing something.

HAVE BLUE was a vehicle of immense compromises, F-117 as well. In developing them Lockheed invented all kinds of material and production processes.

Until you've designed and built in mass production a stealth aircraft, all the gotchas, pitfalls and learnings in how to turn theory into practise are not known to you.

One doesn't have to execute the theory into practice to know the theoretical aspects of something. Especially such an old and used rag like stealth technology isn't particularly hard to find a understand for people with the right qualifications, that stuff has been around for literal decades.
Northrop and Lockheed spend billions developing stealth technologies. If you think all the details of that have been open sourced somehow.... Broad principles and theory, maybe.

And I'd argue that's where it boils down to in this instance. How to create an aircraft with acceptable stealth characteristics, a large internal payload capacity, outstanding flight performance, ease of maintenance and all of that without breaking the bank. Which is when comprises are made. Engineering is all about comprising between various attributes and factors.
Certainly.
 
The Russian's have never seemed to put an emphasis on stealth/LO and they have stated this before.
Russia is the only nation to actually curtail non-stealth program for the stealth one.
Doesn't clock.

It's possible to single out France, maybe India - those are indeed stealth sceptics, forced or no.
 
They don't, because they never made a truly stealth vehicle to date.

Knowing how to calculate and reduce RCS is one thing. Rockwell knew that. They didn't win ATF because Northrop & Lockheed had built actual flying stealth aircraft and had been through the learning curve of designing building and operating. There is no substitute for doing it, iteratively.


Radome. It's spelt radome.

It’s 2025 and Russians apparently don’t know how to build a stealth aircraft. What part do they not know? They don’t know how to build a flat fuselage or single piece canopy? Or do they not know how to built low IR engines or do they not understand platform alignment?

The Okhotnik demonstrates Russia clearly understands and implements stealth technology. Funny thing is the Okhotnik has a superior RCS to any US manned aircraft. Some people will play mental gymnastics and claim otherwise citing more US experience or then they will just make blanket claims by ignoring things like Okhotnik omitting the vertical tails, corner reflectors, canopy, any additional intakes, ect. The SU-57 was not the best Russia could do in terms of stealth, it was a compromise. The SU-75 is much better in terms of RCS and that was because Sukhoi was free to design the aircraft the way they wanted where as the Okhotnik was meant to be LO and punch through enemy airspace ahead of the SU-57.


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Your source for this?

Lower than Su-57, sure.


Are you really arguing that an aircraft with no vertical stabilizers, no corner reflectors from vertical stabilizers, no corner reflectors from junction between wings and intakes, no canopy, a single intake, and a flat nozzle engine for IR reduction plus a smooth fuselage and a top mounted intake has a higher RCS then say an F-35? That has corner reflectors, vertical stabilizers, canopy multiple intakes and a round engine nozzles ect?

People for get the Okhotnik along with the SU-57 flew almost 600km and went about 20km inside Ukrainian airspace and Ukrainians had no idea and the ironic part was both the SU-57 and Okhotnik had none stealth engines
 
If you think that size contributes to RCS in a major facet, FPVs win by default.
Not,, then B-21.
That S-70 article with a monoblock aluminum trailing edge that got shot down is definitely NOT F-35 stealthy.
 
People for get the Okhotnik along with the SU-57 flew almost 600km and went about 20km inside Ukrainian airspace and Ukrainians had no idea and the ironic part was both the SU-57 and Okhotnik had none stealth engines
Put 12 bombs onto the Kyiv Rada first and then we can have a conversation. Duh. And we talking about the guy letting Wagner run a train through Pork-rovsk? :D
 
Yeah, nah.... That's not how it works.

If you think that size contributes to RCS in a major facet, FPVs win by default.
Not,, then B-21.
That S-70 article with a monoblock aluminum trailing edge that got shot down is definitely NOT F-35 stealthy.

You’re both right the F-35 rewrites everything we know about LO design. Now corner reflectors, canopy, additional control surfaces, intakes, discontinuity disruptions and round nozzles decrease RCS. By the way the entire things is made of composite material

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You’re both right the F-35 rewrites everything we know about LO design. Now corner reflectors, canopy, additional control surfaces, intakes, discontinuity disruptions and round nozzles decrease RCS.
Yes. The F-35 is supposed to rewrite everything that we know about a reproducible, maintainable, durable and affordable design meeting the customer's LO requirements. Everything is a compromise to meet those requirements.

Engineering protip: Sometimes a difference that makes no difference - isn't a difference.

Analysis protip: A LO design can only be evaluated by comparing test results to customer specified requirements. Any discussion without this knowledge of either sets of data is non-relevant speculation and bloviation. Customer use (or mis-use - in the case of the F-117 combat loss) is not a direct reflection of the capabilities of the design.

Could we please reign in the pudknocker (sorry Pancho Barnes) fanboi commentary and return to productive discussion?
 
Making things from composite materials is in no way related to stealth. Composites can actually make RCS worse.

Composites absorb radar energy and allow parts to be made larger thus reducing seams which thus decrease radar cross section. If that was the case the F-35 would not mostly be made of composites nor would the F-117 or other platforms. If Lockheed made an aircraft that was identical to the Okhotnik it would be hailed as an incredible engineering marvel and practically invincible but because it’s Russian people play mental gymnastics and claim what was universally considered LO design features are suddenly now not that stealthy.
 
I will not admit myself to a discussion where the opposite participant has obvious faillings in comprehension and plays a victim mentality card.
 
Yes. The F-35 is supposed to rewrite everything that we know about a reproducible, maintainable, durable and affordable design meeting the customer's LO requirements. Everything is a compromise to meet those requirements.

Engineering protip: Sometimes a difference that makes no difference - isn't a difference.

Analysis protip: A LO design can only be evaluated by comparing test results to customer specified requirements. Any discussion without this knowledge of either sets of data is non-relevant speculation and bloviation. Customer use (or mis-use - in the case of the F-117 combat loss) is not a direct reflection of the capabilities of the design.

Could we please reign in the pudknocker (sorry Pancho Barnes) fanboi commentary and return to productive discussion?


I’m not talking about durability or maintenance or affordability nor am I saying the F-35 has a poor RCS, it clearly has a smaller RCS than a SU-57 and it’s an awesome aircraft all around plus it’s mass produced and very versatile. My argument is that the F-35 can not compete with the RCS of a flying wing because a flying wing has no corner reflectors, no discontinuity disruptions, no canopy, a single intake blended on top of the fuselage, ect. The F-35 is a manned stealth fighter with multirole capabilities, it’s not the stealthiest aircraft ever made by the US that honor would probably go to the B-21 similarly the SU-57 is not the stealthiest aircraft Russia designed, that honor would go to the Okhotnik.
 
Composites absorb radar energy and allow parts to be made larger thus reducing seams which thus decrease radar cross section. If that was the case the F-35 would not mostly be made of composites nor would the F-117 or other platforms. If Lockheed made an aircraft that was identical to the Okhotnik it would be hailed as an incredible engineering marvel and practically invincible but because it’s Russian people play mental gymnastics and claim what was universally considered LO design features are suddenly now not that stealthy.
Composites can be used in designing stealthy aircraft. They are not stealthy in and of themselves without being designed as such. AV-8B has a lot of composites in its wing, doesn't make it at all stealthy. Tests of the all-composite Windecker Eagle showed no real improvement in RCS over a similar metal aeroplane.

Composite materials can be radar transparent (like glass fibre) which is usually terrible for RCS as it allows radar signals into the inside where it can bounce off engines, avionics, and metal structures. HOWEVER, glass fibre is also used on the leading edge of stealth designs in front of graded RAM absorbers precisely for its radar transparency.

Composites like carbon fibre which are to some degree lossy dielectric materials can be used as part of a RAM/RAS structure if designed as such and in combination with other materials. If that's what Okhotnik has, then it can rightly be viewed as a stealth design.

Simply being built from composites alone tells you nothing relevant. Eurofighter Typhoon has a lot of composites used, but no-one is suggesting its a stealth aircraft.
 
@overscan yes, I am not disagreeing with you, composites (this is a broad subject) themselves won’t make an aircraft have smaller RCS but studies do show that some composites generally have smaller RCS compared to metal alloys so shape and types of composites play a role. Some composites do absorb some electromagnetic energy while something like aluminum will reflect everything. The big advantage with composites is the ability to make larger panels which translates to less seems and discontinuities.

I used to work for a company that made at the time a craft designed to be difficult to detect on radar. It was made up of composites almost 100% to reduce RCS.
 
Fun thing about engineering:

Did you hear about the time Rolls-Royce was having a hard time building an automatic transmission? When they bought a GM unit and disassembled it to reverse engineer, they discovered that part of the internals was not finished in accordance with RR standards. So they cleaned up the surface finish to RR standards. And when they put the transmission back together, it didn't work anymore.

Turns out, that rough surface finish was required for the proper function of the transmission. (And was probably the reason that RR's designs weren't working!)

Something that you'd never know without physically building the thing.
 
Composites absorb radar energy and allow parts to be made larger thus reducing seams which thus decrease radar cross section

I do hope adversaries take this wonderful guidance and build thousands of “invisible” aircraft made of “composites” with less “seams”.
 
I do hope adversaries take this wonderful guidance and build thousands of “invisible” aircraft made of “composites” with less “seams”.
Rule of thumb, they just do their engineering, regardless of forum length contests.
 
I do hope adversaries take this wonderful guidance and build thousands of “invisible” aircraft made of “composites” with less “seams”.


What is this condescending statement? What are you arguing composites don’t reduce RCS? Likewise you believe discontinuities don’t increase RCS? I can post scientific articles proving otherwise but I don’t believe that is your argument. Let me guess, no amount of composites will make the Okhotnik stealthy right?
 
I do hope adversaries take this wonderful guidance and build thousands of “invisible” aircraft made of “composites” with less “seams”.
During WW2, the movable parts of the Dutch steelworks in IJmuiden were disassembled for reassembly in Germany. The IJmuiden workforce was roped in for the job, they were ordered to provide elaborate instructions for reassembly.
After reassembly in Germany, having carefully observed the instructions, the contraptions switched on, the German factory floor was inundated by all kinds of fluids that should have been diverted to, or serving purposes in, places-not-on-the-factory-floor. But weren't / didn't.

"Never interrupt the enemy when he is making a fatal mistake" - Napoleon Bonaparte
What is this condescending statement?
<snip> straw men </snip>
Read again. Then try again.
 
Straw men:
Likewise you believe discontinuities don’t increase RCS?
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no amount of composites will make the Okhotnik stealthy right?
Re-read what aim9xray wrote in reply #54, overscan(paulmm) in replies #43 and #59.
 
Straw men:

Re-read what aim9xray wrote in reply #54, overscan(paulmm) in reply #59.


What about it? I replied to both arguments. #54 One was a general argument about the F-35 having qualities such as affordability, durability, ect making it a good aircraft. I agreed with that opinion. #59 The second argument was about composites which is nothing amazing or groundbreaking. I worked on military projects involving composites so I am not sure what your argument is. That composites don’t reduce RCS?
 
They don't, because they never made a truly stealth vehicle to date.

What is a "truly stealth vehicle" by your metric? is there a standard or just personal opinion? Do share.

In my opinion as an anonymous internet poster with years of Twitter browsing, I don't consider the F-22, F-35, Su-57, J-20, J-35 J-XX, or any so-called 5th gen fighter that has its aileron and flap hydraulic actuator nacelles bulging out of the wing to be actually stealthy. A "true stealth vehicle" should have it's actuators perfectly smooth like the Northrop Grumman YF-23, with its high pressure two-stage actuators being compact enough to be fit flush with the wing, is the ONLY fifth gen fighter EVER made, everything else is 4.5 gen at best. 1755423303925.png



By my own personal metric that I have made up on the spot just now with zero supporting evidence, I now declare that the only fifth-gen aircraft ever made to be the B-2, B-21, RQ-whatever, S-70 Okhnotik, Neuron/Taranis, Anka-3, etc.


In case people can't tell, the above is sarcasm.
 
That composites don’t reduce RCS?
Transparency of composites simply means the first thing that reflects radar waves isn't the aircraft's skin, but whatever radar-reflective material is inside. Engines. Landing gear. Electronics. Wiring.
Try making engines from non-radar-reflective materials. You would need structures that deflect radar waves, or absorb radar energy. Neither can be achieved with composites alone.
 
I'd like people to cut out this lowly slander that countries other than the US cannot possibly create a stealth aircraft. It's unbecoming of you. For some reason many assert that any such attempts is just an evil subversive ruse, as the intellectual heavyweights working at the National Interest, determining using just their eyeballs, debunked the claims of Russian stealth, and in actuality the RCS of the Su-57 is the same as the Super Hornet's.

Here's my reasoning, without going into technical details. I think in some drawer in the Russian MoD, there sits a technical document that outlines the requirements for the plane, among which is a very low RCS, hitting these requirements is the prerequisite for the plane being accepted into service.

First. the basic shaping of the Su-57 is sound for a VLO design, as indenpendently confirmed by the French, when they presented their research for their next-gen stealth jet, and they basically came up with the exact planform of the Su-57. I'm sure if the Russian requirements didn't call for VLO, but just the other stuff, they'd have had an easier time making another advanced Flanker variant.

I'm sure the first thing they did once the first prototype was finished (which was presented to the public 15 years ago), is they carted it out to the radar test stand. Evidently they liked what they saw, since the basic shape (or even details) barely changed since then. If it was flawed in some way, they had more than enough time to rework it, but they didn't

Since then the development of the plane has been long and protracted one, there was article upon article about how this or that sensor's or antenna's development is delayed, the engine for the plane is late beyond all expectations, they even had to do a comprehensive redesign when they found the Al alloy they made the plane with was prone to cracking.

Very little has been written about how they struggled with stealth or composite manufacturing. Russians might behind the West in a few things, but composite manufacturing is not one of them. They've been making airliner wings and fuselages out of composites around the time they did in the West. A jet fighter is large, but not larger than these parts, they clearly have the equipment and knowhow to make these.

Somehow people in this thread (and the internet in general) are implying that small details like radome, the IRST or DIRCM ball, the exposed rivets or joints, partially visible engine faces 'ruin' the otherwise good VLO design. My assertion is that this is not the case, I'm sure each of these problems has a technical solution that adequately eliminates it, and prevents RCS 'hotspots' destroying the VLO nature of the design. While we may speculate on the nature of these fixes, I think it's safe to assume they're there and they work well enough.

A couple of thoughts on points raised in this thread:
  • Planform alignment is important in the horizontal plane. Vertically, you only need to reflect energy away from the plane towards the sky or ground
  • Radio transparent composites are a thing, so the actual shape as seen by radar might not match what''s seen on the pictures
  • Large flat, planform aligned surfaces have been used for stealth on US aircraft such as the F-22 or B-21, they work by only reflecting the energy back to the radar when they are perpendicular to the surface, causing the 'spiky' RCS of these aircraft. Geometry is enough in this case, there's no need for advanced materials, just a simple coductive skin.
  • This 'converting specular waves to surface waves' business I assume means that rather than reflecting away the energy, you bring it inside the aircraft by using materials with specially tuned impedance (see Snell's law), and guiding the out the back of the aircraft. To do this, you need specially manufactured composites with special conductive fibers so you can tune the impedance of the skin, and model the propagation inside the aircraft. I'm sure this approach works as well, and might explain why the F-35 has such a bumpy underside, but sounds expensive and finicky. I'm Russians could make something like this if they really wanted to, but there's reasons for not going down this route. That the Americans went back to simple geometric shapes with the B-21 might be also telling.
 
Composites absorb radar energy and allow parts to be made larger thus reducing seams which thus decrease radar cross section. If that was the case the F-35 would not mostly be made of composites nor would the F-117 or other platforms.


First, since the 1970s it has been well known that the primary method of achieving militarily significant RF signature reduction is through shaping.

This is because you can always reflect more energy away than you can possibly absorb in a material. Absorbers have physical and practical limitations. Prior to the early 1970s signature reduction techniques had focused primarily on using absorbers, with limited effectiveness.

Any given material will reflect, absorb, and pass through RF energy. This is because of their electrical properties. Conductive metals reflect nearly all of the energy and absorb and pass through very little. Dedicated absorbers like carbon loaded foams will absorb more than it will reflect, and will (usually) pass through more than it will reflect.

"Composites" are a whole category of materials that are comprised of several materials together. To say that "composites absorb radar" is very broad and non-specific. The composites used widely in aerospace applications though do not absorb any significant amount of radar, instead they pass most of it through.

Glass fiber composites (and Kevlar) are used in radomes for this very reason. Glass fiber composites have an impedance close to that of open air and pass RF energy almost entirely with very little reflection or absorption.

Carbon fiber composites on the other hand can be very different. The raw material, when tested, will appear to pass the majority of the energy through, absorb some, and reflect others. But when carbon fiber is used in practice it's a different story. The dielectric in each layer of carbon fiber can vary. The dielectric can also change with viewing aspect, direction of the fibers or layup, etc.

It is not uncommon for a component made of carbon fiber to reflect the majority of the energy from some angles, pass through from others, and absorb from others.

These are not desirable characteristics. In fact, in most modern low observable aircraft that use carbon fiber as part of the outer mold line, the entire aircraft is coated in metallic conductive material - to reflect radar homogeneously.

Second, on the issue of "seams", yes discontinuities produce diffraction and travelling waves. But these discontinuities are *electrical discontinuities* , not necessarily physical discontinuities ("seams"). As an example, having a composite panel made of carbon fiber next to one made of carbon fiber made using a different process (or made of metal, plastic, etc.) causes a discontinuities because the electrical properties of the two panels are different. This is undesirable.

Again, these discontinuities are a known and well-solved problem. As far as I am aware there is no one trying to design an aircraft to minimize "seams" as part of RCS reduction, at least not in the way you appear to be describing where they would be using composites, whatever to make larger parts so there are fewer "seams".

As far as the F-117, the F-117 used very little composite components. It was an aluminium aircraft. The use of composites was limited to the tails and leading edges.


What are you arguing composites don’t reduce RCS?

To reiterate, saying "composites" is a very broad statement. The composites used widely in the aerospace industry, by themselves, are very BAD for RCS. They allow the majority RF energy to pass through. Some composites will behave very differently at different aspect angles with regards to RCS. This is bad.

Likewise you believe discontinuities don’t increase RCS?

Discontinuities certainly do contribute to RCS, however your statements about using large composite parts to minimize physical seams between components have very little to do with reducing RCS and would (without additional treatment) increase RCS through the very electrical discontinuities that actually do contribute to RCS.


I can post scientific articles proving otherwise but I don’t believe that is your argument.

Oh no, I am very much arguing the science and engineering. I seem to be one of the only ones.

Let me guess, no amount of composites will make the Okhotnik stealthy right?

Statements like this, while ignoring physics, do not help your case.
 
Transparency of composites simply means the first thing that reflects radar waves isn't the aircraft's skin, but whatever radar-reflective material is inside. Engines. Landing gear. Electronics. Wiring.
Try making engines from non-radar-reflective materials. You would need structures that deflect radar waves, or absorb radar energy. Neither can be achieved with composites alone.


Starting off with the obvious, composites such as fiber glass have very low conductivity hence their use in aircraft randomes which allows electro magnetic energy to penetrate. Other composites such as carbon fiber reinforced plastics or plastic graphite or a number of other compounds have the opposite effect. Thickness, density, layering and make up of composite materials determines how well elecotro magnetic energy is absorbed.

I also am confused about your argument. You’re saying all composites have poor conductivity hence radars can ‘see’ through to “landing gear” “electronics” ect. Well clearly that is false, if that was the case there would be no point in making low observable aircraft since electromagnetic energy would just penetrate its outer skin anyways. There are different types of composites made for different purposes that behave differently under different frequencies.

You are also wrong when saying the first thing that is reflected isn’t off the aircraft’s skin. Small imperfections on the skin will in fact reflect back first hence the phenomenon of wave propagation or creeping waves. Any disruption will cause diffracting.


I also want to touch base with what other posters said about the experience gained from HAVE BLUE and the F-117 and years of mass production of those and other aircraft. Yes the US had the most extensive experience in production of stealth aircraft and with it lots of knowledge. Companies like Lockheed had a difficult task, no one else built a stealth aircraft at the time so Lockheed had to come up with an original design, there was little to no studies on the subject, material science was not as developed and computing power was weak.

But this is why you never underestimate your competitors or adversaries. By this logic Tesla would never be able to build a vehicle anywhere close to a Volkswagen or Ford. However that is not the case, despite those vehicle manufacturers being around decades before Tesla and building hundreds of models over the past century Tesla is considered more advanced. Same for Space-X being able to compete with NASA or Navdia dominating Intel despite Intel being of the the oldest, biggest and at one point most advanced chip manufacturers on earth.

You have lots of countries such as China, Israel, Russia, Turkey, France, South Korea, ect building manned stealth aircraft or drones and really good ones. They are able to do this because they carefully studied the designs of past US stealth aircraft, where the US paved the way while going through trial and errors and improvements. This coupled with supercomputers and artificial intelligence allowed competitors to model and test advanced designs in a very short time, there is also abundant scientific literature on how radar waves work, infrared reduction studies, material science ect. Then of course there is always some level of espionage and or those competitors developing original ideas that perhaps were never studied or mastered by US companies such as the J-50s unique control surfaces.
 
'Composites' . . .
Sawdust mixed with glue (chipboard) is a 'composite', cement mixed with sand (concrete) is a 'composite' , concrete re-inforced with rebar can be considered a 'composite', even fabric impregnated with cellulose dope is a 'composite' . . .
'Composites' . . .

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I think in some drawer in the Russian MoD, there sits a technical document that outlines the requirements for the plane, among which is a very low RCS,

I'm sure there is, every aircraft has a requirements document it is built to.

hitting these requirements is the prerequisite for the plane being accepted into service.

Umm, let's put in a 'theoretically' there. So that line becomes 'hitting these requirements is theoretically the prerequisite for the plane being accepted into service.'

The history of aviation is full of aircraft that missed their targets, and many of these still went into service. Often this was in wartime and anything sufficiently better than what was in service was still worth having, while nowadays we have the issue where aircraft development is so expensive governments may be unwilling to bear the cost of starting over (a variation on 'sunk cost' issues).

In some cases the aircraft may completely fail to meet the original requirement, but can still meet other needs, for instance the Hawker Typhoon, which was supposed to be a medium/high altitude interceptor to replace the Hurricane, turned out to be a dog at altitude, but was a fast low-level interceptor, and kept in production as a low-level fighter-bomber. (ETA: and never mind it's occasional tendency to have the tail fall off)

TLDR: Just because a requirement set a target doesn't mean the aircraft built to it actually met the target.
 
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Starting off with the obvious, composites such as fiber glass have very low conductivity hence their use in aircraft randomes which allows electro magnetic energy to penetrate.

You are confusing conductivity with permissivity.
There are many poor conductors that are very reflective and have low permissivity.

Other composites such as carbon fiber reinforced plastics or plastic graphite or a number of other compounds have the opposite effect. Thickness, density, layering and make up of composite materials determines how well elecotro magnetic energy is absorbed.

No. As previously stated, carbon fiber typically has high permissivity.
 
Engineering is never theory alone. That's pure mathematics or something. Engineering is theory and implementation and production and operation. Design learnings come in all phases.
One area where we're clearly seeing an ongoing technological evolution in stealth design is in in-service maintainability. F-117 to F-22 to B-2 to F-35 to B-21, each new generation of stealth design has been accompanied by statements about how one of the major aims is to cut maintenance hours per flight hour, and try to get away from the need for specialised handling in air-filtered hangars.

That's an evolution based on lessons you can't adequately learn in advance, and where the US clearly has a step-up on the rest of the world.
 
One area where we're clearly seeing an ongoing technological evolution in stealth design is in in-service maintainability. F-117 to F-22 to B-2 to F-35 to B-21, each new generation of stealth design has been accompanied by statements about how one of the major aims is to cut maintenance hours per flight hour, and try to get away from the need for specialised handling in air-filtered hangars.

That's an evolution based on lessons you can't adequately learn in advance, and where the US clearly has a step-up on the rest of the world.

And most of those issues center around composite materials and electrical properties.
 
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