Yeah, I've seen plenty of the typical stories about The 2S38 "almost being ready" for years, now, so while your post isn't at all surprising, does anyone happen to know as to why these shells, etc., were never introduced? Could they simply not make them work, or was there a severe lack of money/interest in ultimately procuring the system?
Severe lack of money in procuring the system.


$400k MANPADS? $10m MRBMs won't be around long either when expended at that rate.
A bare Stinger in launch tube should be about 150k, not sure about how much the Stinger CLU is.
 
Here's this video from Suchomimus which if correct Ukraine destroyed half of Russia's SA-22 Greyhound batteries in 2025:


Ukraine shared a compilation of drone strikes on Russian Pantsir SAM systems from 2025, saying half of Russia's Pantsirs were destroyed in one year.

PS: Would one of the Mods please add the US DoD designation/NATO reporting name to the thread's title.
 
Here's this video from Suchomimus which if correct Ukraine destroyed half of Russia's SA-22 Greyhound batteries in 2025:
Sceptical about half(of what number? per oryx from pre-war stock? Esp. batteries), but this is tbh secondary.
Main thing is CIWS and C-UAS are two distinctively different niches.

CIWS can do it to a degree, but lacks critical enabling traits. Though to be fair, it's rather hard to come up with modern land system system which truly checks all C-UAS boxes.
 
New batch of Pantsir-S delivered

 
New batch of Pantsir-S delivered


I wonder how long it will be before they get blown up by Ukrainian drones?
 
I wonder how long it will be before they get blown up by Ukrainian drones?
They suffer significant losses, mainly in Crimea(starlink). But production(+repairs) also appears to be very high.

Basically pantsirs are still the main reason Russia fares far better than Ukraine in drone city war, despite being slower in new approaches (drone intercept).
 
They do but:
Without sources, but there are reasons to believe she underestimates their production manyfold.

Saudi order was fulfilled on top of construction of 3 digit new positions over last year, without even vacating older ones.
I.e. yearly production is [likely] significantly into 3 digits (before simpler SMD and TBM variants entered picture), and missile production is [likely} deep into 5 digits (also before TKB-1055 entered picture).
I.e. pantsir is one of chosen mission-critical systems which Russia manufactures at full wartime tempo.
 
Last edited:
Footage showing the remote control of the new Pantsir-SMD-E air defense system in action at the recent Dubai AirShow 2025 in the UAE.
 

Attachments

  • fHwU3GGBs1mC1Jd291GZJO-ynTiE2Bm7bgI9wQiL9JZDD-lQFee84t_3Dmv6eX3nnA3NoecL0xrjmNos2hv05tv7.jpg
    fHwU3GGBs1mC1Jd291GZJO-ynTiE2Bm7bgI9wQiL9JZDD-lQFee84t_3Dmv6eX3nnA3NoecL0xrjmNos2hv05tv7.jpg
    85 KB · Views: 22
  • 1774207827521.png
    1774207827521.png
    1.2 MB · Views: 20

Similar threads

Back
Top Bottom