Oreshnik MRBM

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Dilandu said:
Okay, it was officially revealed (by our president, so it's not rumors) that it was a combat test of "Oreshnik" (rus. Hazel) hypersonic medium-range missile. Probably with cluster warhead.
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First time i hear of this missile unless i've missed some previous references to it here? If the video is not tempered with in any way then the MIRVs/cluster warheads look wickedly fast, even eerily fast. Good luck intercepting that. Presumably this is the russian antidote for the so called american "ABM shield"?
 
Is it just me or there has been a quite worrying streak of revelations about "secret" weapons sytems lately? The never-heard-before Israeli ALBMs in the leaked docs, this "Oreshnik" MRBM nobody has ever heard of before... maybe all of these "who know what they're hiding under the wraps" people were right all along.
 
Supposed image of reentry vehicles hitting the ground
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One assumes the response to that scenario would be to...build more ABM sites. Or sell a LOT more THAAD or Arrow 3 batteries.

If you're trying to overwhelm and destroy an ABM site with a nuclear payload, you may as well use a "real" one. If you want to use nuclear RVs, you're arguably better off using a "quick" ICBM RV rather than a comparatively "slow" MRBM RV. If you have to use Oreshnik, then I'd assume you'd end up with a few MIRVs and some PENAIDs like decoy RVs or chaff dispensers or something, rather than MIRVs plus submunitions. We know they can make small PENAIDs, they showed up on Iskanders.

Random thought, maybe Oreshnik is some sort of multi-stage Iskander-ER rather than from the Rubezh/Yars/etc. tree? Would that random part that appeared on Bulava also show up in an Iskander, or would it show up in Rubezh/Yars/etc. (or all of the above)...?
 
Justo Miranda said:
I don't know of these types of weapons to argue seriously on the subject, but I suppose that if they are used for short range a large part of the unused fuel can have devastating results, or perhaps it can be replaced by a greater quantity of explosives.
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That’s not how ballistic missiles work. They burn all their fuel by apogee and then fall back to earth unpowered. Shorter ranges force a higher altitude/more parabolic trajectory.
 
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I mean, we're all familiar with this photo comparing SS-16, SS-20, and SS-25; the difference between an IRBM and ICBM is the third stage and number of warheads you load onto the post-boost vehicle. Heck, you could overload the missile and use it as a giant SRBM.

The litigation over whether they want to call this an ICBM or an IRBM seems a little irrelevant beyond the point that the Russians are signaling by introducing a new category of long-range weapons; the politicians can work out whether the signaling is deceptive or real or whatever later.
 
Tom Cooper says CEP is 200 meters, which is not sufficient to destroy a peculiar target, unless it is larger than a football field. Albeit they could use it as a terror weapon against large cities, just to kill people.
 
Stills from a video of a fragment. Looks like fiberglass to me.
 

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I reiterate: Thread will only stay open if dealing with facts about the weapons used and not if members keep posting stupid commentary.
 
Dilandu said:
Okay, it was officially revealed (by our president, so it's not rumors) that it was a combat test of "Oreshnik" (rus. Hazel) hypersonic medium-range missile. Probably with cluster warhead.
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Medium range only threatens Europe, intercontinental range threatens America, the difference in intentions is important.
 
Ok, let‘s try again.
This is a thread about the technical sides and the related mission profiles of the Oreshnik MRBM.
It was cleaned from posts about the Ukraine war and other stuff, that certainly was and is interesting, but not really appropriate here. Actually not much is left, but maybe it now works better, than the last time !
 
Looks similar to the alleged RS-26 Rubezh TEL, but with a missile tube added.
 

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www.interfax.ru

Президент РФ сообщил о начале серийного производства новой ракеты "Орешник"

Президент РФ Владимир Путин заявил, что первый серийный комплекс "Орешник" поступил в российскую армию."У нас произведен первый серийный комплекс "Орешник", первая серийная ракета.
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So according to media the first serial produced missile has been handed to the Russian troops in August this year, after the production line went online in December. Among other interesting bits is that at least some of the Oreshnik that are being produced will be stationed in Belarus. In which way Belarus is involved outside of simply hosting the missiles isn't clear to me yet. But the fact that the TEL was "teased" by Lukashenko may suggest that Belarus has the ability to utilize the launchers with Russian approval. But that last bit is personal speculation based on the "leak".

Either way, the Oreshnik seems to be in active service and serial production.
 
Forest Green said:
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Given the problems that Russia has had in testing its' SS-X-30 Satan II ICBM and the not so hot performance of the SS-X-31 when used against Ukraine I don't think that the SS-X-31 is ready for production. IMO this Putin pulling a big bluff and a hollow threat against NATO countries.

On anchor not the title of this thread should be modified to include its' US DoD designation SS-X-31 (The "X" affix indicates prototype/pre-production status), I don't know what its' NATO reporting name is except that it will start with an "S".​
 
What the fuck is a "Satan II" supposed to be? As for Oreshnik, it hit the industrial complex it was meant to hit, induced damage (which given the lack of any warhead was considerable) and it is, if rumors are to be believed, developed from existing components adapted to it's mission and requirements. So there's no significant technical hurdle to overcome there, unlike in the early phases of Bulava or the ongoing development of Sarmat, which are departures from previous missiles fielded.

Furthermore, I don't know if calling the service entry and deployment of an intermediate range ballistic missile that's generally speaking intended to be nuclear armed a bluff. Especially as it can hit any target in Europe quite comfortably, which means that the ICBMs and SLBMs can be allocated for targets that genuinely require the range advantage they offer. It neatly bridges the gap from Iskander to Topol and Yars. A segment Russia looked into already when it was still part of the Soviet Union. So this is just a natural development, accelerated by perceived outside threats. But a system like Oreshnik was always going to happen and consequently previous studies, fielded weapons and available components were at their disposal to build upon something that's inherently less ambitious than something like Sarmat or the Bulava.
 
EmoBirb said:
What the fuck is a "Satan II" supposed to be?
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Russia has been having repeated test failures in various missile-programmes, I mentioned that as an example. The SS-X-29 (Or SS-X-30) is the updated successor to the Soviet-era SS-18 Satan.

EmoBirb said:
As for Oreshnik, it hit the industrial complex it was meant to hit, induced damage (which given the lack of any warhead was considerable)
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The damage was relatively minor and it was aimed at the west trying to say "Russia strong!" but really saying "Russia Strong!".

EmoBirb said:
if rumors are to be believed, developed from existing components adapted to it's mission and requirements.
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Yes, cobbled together using two-stages from a three-stage ICBM the SS-29 which is not a new design but Russian propaganda would us believe that it is this brand new weapon (Which it is not), this to me at least is a sign of desperation.
 
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There is no SS-X-30 Satan II, there is the SS-X-29 Sarmat. There is also no SS-X-31.
 
NMaude said:
Russia has been having repeated test failures in various missile-programmes, I mentioned that as an example. The SS-X-29 (Or SS-X-30) is the updated successor to the Soviet-era SS-18 Satan.



The damage was relatively minor and it was aimed at the west trying to say "Russia strong!" but really saying "Russia Strong!".



Yes, cobbled together using two-stages from a three-stage ICBM the SS-29 which is not a new design but Russian propaganda would us believe that it is this brand new weapon (Which it is not), this to me at least is a sign of desperation.
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You mean the Sarmat, then. These NATO names are beyond silly to us outside of the organization itself.

The damage was caused by the kinetic energy of the unarmed re-entry vehicles, which means no explosives whatsoever.

I find it hilarious that someone may use the phrase "cobbled together" when talking about an intermediate range ballistic missile fielded by a country which has a long history of ballistic missile development and successful combat usage. And the Oreshnik is a new weapons system, that's simply a fact, the individual components may be used by other systems, but in sum they are assembled in configuration unique to the Oreshnik. That's the difference between a new weapons system and new components, between a system integrating existing parts and a full, ground-up, new development. It's not about trying to make someone believe something, it's purely how you choose to misinterpret the words spoken.
 
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