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North American XA2J-1 "Super Savage "

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XA2J-1 was yet another aircraft killed by the unreliability of the T40 engine. One wonders what converting it to a swept wing and pure jet engines would have produced and if NAA ever looked at this.
 

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I imagine in that configuration, it would've been a lot like Douglas' A3D.


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XA2J-1 was yet another aircraft killed by the unreliability of the T40 engine. One wonders what converting it to a swept wing and pure jet engines would have produced and if NAA ever looked at this.
 

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Although it was mentioned on a few occasions on this forum (see above), it is about time this fascinating aircraft got a topic of its own...

Developed under NA-158, the so-called « Super Savage » (also found as the « Turbine Savage » or « Turbo Savage ») was built and flown in 1952 as the NA-163. It received U.S. Navy BuAer numbers 124439/124440.

Pictures of this rare bird are hard to come by!
 

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Could the Super Savage have been profitably adapted to an AWACS role? ASW? Assuming some powerplant solution was found, of course.
 

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NAA factory proposal model of the A2J-1 Turboprop Savage, showing the later, production cockpit glass configuration (per Tailspin Turtle).
 

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circle-5 said:
NAA factory proposal model of the XA2J-1 Turboprop Savage, showing early cockpit glass arrangement.
Actually, that may be closer to the production airplane cockpit than the prototype's, which had a jettisonable canopy and ejection seats because of an AJ-1 crash in flight test that killed the crew. The production cockpit was similar to the A3D's, including the slide.
 

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NAA factory models of AJ-1 Savage (in blue) and XA2J-1 prototype, showing the early cockpit configuration, as described in the previous post.
 

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Stargazer2006 said:
Although it was mentioned on a few occasions on this forum (see above), it is about time this fascinating aircraft got a topic of its own...
Agree!!!!

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Madurai said:
Could the Super Savage have been profitably adapted to an AWACS role? ASW? Assuming some powerplant solution was found, of course.
Interesting!!!!!

Something for the 'What If' artists!! (hint hint ;) )

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More photos of the North American XA2J-1, in flight. I believe the last mission of this aircraft was to be fire-bombed for public entertainment at an Edwards AFB open-house.
 

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Love that plane. IIRC it's in one of the Secret Projects books.
 

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The original A2J very closely resembled the AJ Savage, only with turboprops plus the jet engine rather than reciprocating engines plus the jet engine. The next iteration had a cockpit well forward, with the pilot seated by himself and the bombardier and third crewman sitting side-by-side behind him. This was the configuration at the September 1948 mockup review. By April 1949, the aircraft had acquired a tail turret. This came in two flavors: one with the pilot still sitting forward by himself with the crew sitting behind and below him and the other with side-by-side seating for the pilot and bombardier under what appears to be a sliding canopy. The final version, which was built and flown, deleted the jet engine and retained the side-by-side seating.
 

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Great stuff! It's good to feel spoiled like this... ;D
 

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Apparently the guy was told about the mistake. He changed the title and caption in his eBay page (but accidentally left the "V" from Vigilante, so it's now a "North American Aviation/ US Navy XA2J-1 V." Ah well... ::)
 

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Vintage Airplane Photograph
North American Aviation/ US Navy XA2J-1 V inflight artist concept photos. This is marked "Confidential with the artist signature and dated 1949.
 

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nugo said:
Nice find my friend!
It looks so much 'cleaner' aerodynamically than that of the actual XA2J-1!
Is this the way in which the actual production Super Savage was supposed to have looked, as apposed to the prototype??

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Good Day All -

On EPay at the moment is this AJ-2P model.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NORTH-AMERICAN-AVIATION-AJ-2P-SAVAGE-FACTORY-IN-HOUSE-US-NAVY-DESK-DISPLAY-MODEL-/400912394993?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d583daaf1

Seems a bit plain finish wise or someone started to restore it...

Enjoy the Day! Mark
 

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A few more A2J Development Design Study slides from NARA II RG402 to add to your knowledge and enjoyment

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Nice find Bill - thanks! Mark
 

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One of many ideas killed stone dead by the angled deck and the steam cat.
 
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