Latest I've seen is that 'he's' sunk.
If 'distracted' by drones, that was a hell of a distraction if it caused the Moskva to miss incoming anti-ship missiles.
Latest I've seen is that 'he's' sunk.
If 'distracted' by drones, that was a hell of a distraction if it caused the Moskva to miss incoming anti-ship missiles.
Someobody's got some explaining to do. Of course, this whole thing requires some explaining. But how a powerful, presumably modern warship can be baffled by a single distinctly subsonic drone, to the exclusion of swatting incoming ASMs... that might be a mystery forever, especially if a good chunk fo the crew went down with it.
On 13 April 2022, two Ukrainian officials said Moskva had been hit by Ukrainian Neptune anti-ship missiles and was afire in heavy seas. Russian Ministry of Defense said the ship was seriously damaged after a fire caused a munitions explosion, without any reference to a Ukrainian strike.
She isn't modern. She did not get any major upgrades due to lack of funds and being very "tight" design. Essentially she is still a 80s warship. And the whole 1164 project have serious disadvantages.presumably modern warship
I saw video on Youtube-not sure of its provenance. Now its a salvors race. Ukraine may have nukes once more out of the Moskva targeted against Moskow itself-only towed in. This can get ugly fast.
She isn't modern. She did not get any major upgrades due to lack of funds and being very "tight" design. Essentially she is still a 80s warship. And the whole 1164 project have serious disadvantages.presumably modern warship
Well, as I heard it, the crew was dealing with an 'ammunition fire' and non-essential crew had largely been evacuated. That *might* explain it but yeah, someone's got some explaining to do.
Losing Moskva has been compared to the US losing a carrier.
Think I saw that it got a complete refurb in 2000. But yeah, 40 year old design.
... that spot in the Black Sea is probably already crawling with Russian Navy.
... that spot in the Black Sea is probably already crawling with Russian Navy.
Which means it's crawling with targets in range of the same missiles that took out the Moskva.
Think I saw that it got a complete refurb in 2000. But yeah, 40 year old design.
Hell, most of the stuff major militaries use are 40 years old or older. The Nimitz was launched in '72. It's one month short of being *fifty* years old, and I as a taxpayer would be offended if it wasn't reasonably up to date.
I imagine there are already a number of su-25s and gunships 'on the hunt'.
Nah, just minimal refit during planned maintenance. Of all three "Slava" sisters, "Moskva" was the least refitted one.Think I saw that it got a complete refurb in 2000. But yeah, 40 year old design.
If the Moskva had any nukes at all onboard (doubtful) it's unlikely they'd be usable by Ukraine. Even if they were, for them to use them on Russia would surely invite a response in kind.I saw video on Youtube-not sure of its provenance. Now its a salvors race. Ukraine may have nukes once more out of the Moskva targeted against Moskow itself-only towed in. This can get ugly fast.
Well, in fairness it's not like the US hasn't lost ships recently to fires...
For sure, it was the Black Sea fleet admiral....Losing Moskva has been compared to the US losing a carrier.
I would have never guessed those were fibrerglass tubes. I'd have thought steel for sure.On another forum there has been much speculation about magnesium alloys used in the construction of the superstructure and how that may have burned.
It would not surprise me if its still afloat, any missile hit would be above the waterline and even severely burned ships topside have floated for quite some time after. Luckily for the Russians a port is near so salvage is possible by tug.
If the main missile battery in their GRP tubes haven't cooked off
Schrodinger’s ship - caught between death and life in the media of the world…Weird that more than 12 hours later there is no definitive answer to the condition of the vessel. "Sunk/Not-Sunk" is kind of a binary choice, not a spectrum.
Weird that more than 12 hours later there is no definitive answer to the condition of the vessel. "Sunk/Not-Sunk" is kind of a binary choice, not a spectrum.
Kirby's speech seems to contradict the Russian claim that the crew were evacuated and that the ship is being towed and paints a more rosy picture than even the Russian's are trying to do.
Its been asked on the HP&CA board if anyone has heard any claims she hit a mine.
Schrodinger’s ship - caught between death and life in the media of the world…