• Hi Guest! Forum rules have been updated. All users please read here.

Messerschmitt Tailless Projects

Justo Miranda

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Dec 2, 2007
Messages
4,808
Reaction score
3,573
Website
www.amazon.com
It is a Luft ’46 design used by BMW and Messerschmitt.

You may find information about it in the books

-Jet Planes of the Third Reich-The secret projects-VOLUME ONE, pp 49 and VOLUME TWO, pp 260 ,by Manfred Griehl, Monogram 1998-2004
-Luftwaffe Secret Projects –Strategic bombers 1935-45- pp 73 , by Dieter Herwig &
Heinz Rode, Midland 1998-2000.
-German Jet Genesis ,pp 38 , by David Masters , Jane’s 1982
-Paper Planes of the Third Reich ,pp 50 .Toros publications,1988
-Die Deutsche Luftrüstung 1933-45 ,Band 1,pp 148, by Heinz J.Nowarra
Bernard & Graefe Verlag 1993

Actually, the Fw 190 V19 (GH + KP) Wk. Nr. 0042 was experimentally equipped with an “M” wing but testing proved this to be unsatisfactory. It then received normal A-3 wings and served as a number of engines test bed. It crashed 16/02/44.

You may find information about it in the book “Aircraft & Legend, Focke Wulf Fw 190 & Ta 152” pp 72, 73, 144 and 147.

Attached you will find a wartime drawing of the “M” wing, an illustration from the book by Nowarra and the drawing I published extrapolating from that illustration.
 

Attachments

  • Escanear.jpg
    Escanear.jpg
    451.8 KB · Views: 579
  • Escanear0005.jpg
    Escanear0005.jpg
    30 KB · Views: 351
  • Escanear0006.jpg
    Escanear0006.jpg
    327.4 KB · Views: 391

Jemiba

ACCESS: Above Top Secret
Staff member
Top Contributor
Senior Member
Joined
Mar 11, 2006
Messages
8,302
Reaction score
1,311
I can't think of any benefit for the speed ,the Fw 190 could reach.
AFAIK, this wing arrangement was investigated later (e.g. by Armstrong
Withworth), as it promised lower drag in the transsonical flight regime,
not really the speed range of a prop driven aircraft. That it wasn't
used, may have been due to some problems with the wing structure,
I think.
 

Avimimus

ACCESS: Top Secret
Joined
Dec 16, 2007
Messages
1,983
Reaction score
108
Of course one must consider the dive. A transonic research aircraft needn't...
 

Justo Miranda

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Dec 2, 2007
Messages
4,808
Reaction score
3,573
Website
www.amazon.com
Jemiba said:
That it wasn't used, may have been due to some problems with the wing structure,
I think.

I do agree. If this type of wing was actually fly tested with a Fw 190, it is possible that the objective was to find an structural solution.
In my opinion, it would have suffered flutter problems in wingtips and aileron reversement during dive.

Additionally, the building of an airplane with FOUR wingroots required more time, much work of additional research and fly testing. Finally, for an 'M' wing to have same structural resistance than a conventional one, it must be quite heavier. This possibly was the main reason to abandon the project.
 

dgk196

ACCESS: Restricted
Joined
Sep 10, 2008
Messages
6
Reaction score
0
Yes, that is what I wondered about........

Was the swept-wing, not 'm-wing', being used for transonic research?

A 'real-life' example, as compared to a 'wind-tunnel' must have some advantages!?

Were the Germans conducting research relative to this situation, using a 'known' quantity? The FW190?

"It" appears to have been a sturdy airframe, useful for 'research' into 'loads' and control aspects?

That is the flight characteristics of the FW190 in both 'straight-wing' and 'swept-wing' configurations?

It seems 'old hat' now, but I'm pretty sure 'it' (the characteristics) wasn't back then!

So, if this was a research ac, what did they learn, and what did they apply it to!? Is that info available anywhere?

Dennis
 

hesham

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
27,939
Reaction score
5,207
From; Der Busemann Überschallkanal A-9 der LFAEntwicklung, Nutzungund Verbleibpeter.
 

Attachments

  • a.png
    a.png
    130.5 KB · Views: 75

Similar threads

Top