Looking for Obscure WW2 Aircraft Pics/Patents/Drawings

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The list that so far no NG nor forum can provide actual pics for:

German:

- Hutter Hu-211 (2 under construction, bombed)
- Heinkel He-319 (1 completed)
- Heinkel He-419 (6+ completed)
- Messerschmitt Me-262 HG.III (1 under construction)
- DFS Kameraflugzeug (1 completed, destroyed by fire)
- Argus As-292 Fliegenauge (many completed and operational)
- SS WiW Knochengleiter (1 under construction)
- Fw-42 Ente F/S Mock-up (1 completed)

British:

- Twin Hurricane (1 under construction)
- Taxi Hurricane Trainer (w/seat and controls bolted to starboard wing, 1 completed)
- Supermarine B.12 Suffolk (several under cinstruction, bombed 1940)

USA:

- Ford (Chemurgian technology) plastic Green Arrow bomber drawings
- Hughes Bloodhound and Hellhound patents
- Kaw aircraft patent

Italy:

- Regianne Re.2007 components (component + partial fuselage under construction, seized by US Army)

Russia:

- Yuri Rossovich Taiga partisan glider (1 completed, seized by SS Gebirgsjaeger unit)

Netherlands:

- Fokker Ontwerp 203 (1 under construction for Goering, stopped July 1940)

... and these are just for starters!

SA
 
Welcome Schwarzadler !

At least some of the types you're loking for, were already discussed here,
e.g. the He 319/419/Hütter Hü 211 )http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,6364.0/highlight,h%C3%BCtter+211.html),
or the Me 262 HG.III (http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,7932.0/highlight,me+262+hg+iii.html)
The search function really is quite helpful and highly recommended. ;)
BTW, it would be better to ask for those types in different posts, as other wise one day,
such a thread probably would become confusing.
 
Yes, I saw them and NO, they had no photos. At least 1 friend of mine sent me the HG.III wind tunnel model pics... but none of the a/c under construction. I specifically want actual pics, not illustrations. I also had the Hughes Bloodhound patent, but lost it online from my NG. The link is now dead.

There should be surviving or emerging photos of at least a few of these a/c. Time will help, but possibley some obscure book refs may have these a/c so I thought I would give you guys a try.

SA
 
Supermarine B12/36 bomber-no name (Supermarine types 316-318)
Only two prototype fuselages were under construction.
source:Supermarine Aircraft since 1914-CF Andrews and EB Morgan-Putnam - London 1989.
As far as I know,there never was a twinHurricane on the drawing board but
highly realistic drawings appreared in some modelmagazines.

Maybe coincidently,a same question about the aforementioned designs
was put in the www.rcgroups dot com forum...
 
Yes, the RC Groups post is equally mine as a challenge- no one has been able to provide anything- same for my aviation NG. I find it amazing that all the so-called experts at these places either don't know the majority of these a/c nor have resources to provide something rather than the obvious book and online illustrations/art of some of them (Hu-211, He-319, He-419, Me-262 HG.III, B.12 Suffolk, and Re.2007).

Also, here are a few more:

- Macchi C.206 Tuono before it was bombed
- Huettner steam plane (1 under construction)
- Espenlaub Flugzeugbau Jagdflugzeug (1 under construction)
- Mosquito with the 94mm gun installation

I'll accept the Me-362 project airliner as illustration if anyone has that (later became the modified Egyptian Project 206 3-jet airliner proposed by Messerschmitt)

SA
 
A few more that I forgot:

- Heinkel Odin giant transport model (competitor to Ju-322)
- Fiora biplane (1 constructed)
- Sukhoi "Black Raven" ground attack a/c (status unknown)
- Caproni GDL (1 under construction)

Good luck,
SA
 
Schwarzadler said:
I find it amazing that all the so-called experts at these places either don't know the majority of these a/c nor have resources to provide something rather than the obvious book and online illustrations/art of some of them (Hu-211, He-319, He-419, Me-262 HG.III, B.12 Suffolk, and Re.2007).
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There's an old saying about flies and honey. That might prove a better way to elicit a positive response, as opposed to your above tactic on your 3rd post here.
 
Translation... you have nothing to offer either!

I am not here to make any friends. I issued an on-going challenge that no NG nor forum has ever met.

It makes me laugh at all the specialist aviation sites of which this one is highly regarded. And yet the group effort here has thus far... yielded absolutely nothing.

I'm disappointed. I at least expected some data flow in the form of links or possible leads.

SA
 
Maybe the reason why the result to your questions is meagre for the moment
is that the designs you talked about are 'esotheric' to say the least...
(if not fictional..)

Give the people time to search and split the chaff from the wheat.
In the mean time,as Jemiba stated, the search tool is a very good firstaid.
 
Schwarzadler said:
Translation... you have nothing to offer either!

I am not here to make any friends. I issued an on-going challenge that no NG nor forum has ever met.

It makes me laugh at all the specialist aviation sites of which this one is highly regarded. And yet the group effort here has thus far... yielded absolutely nothing.

I'm disappointed. I at least expected some data flow in the form of links or possible leads.

SA
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With that attitude you are likely to be out of luck. Even assuming we did possess images of some of the items you requested, why on earth would we share them with someone so rude? What value have you added to the forum, that anyone will be motivated to help you?

You may find it hard to find pics of things that didn't didn't exist of course.
 
I believe that Mr. Schwarzadler is trying to use us to find out if there are any pictures of some of these airplanes and their market value.
When I did research on the Spanish Civil War, I had the opportunity to meet different people who had rare pictures and used the same tactic to find their market price.
A Mr R.T. who boasted about having a picture of a Republican Dewoitine D.510. He had months before published a list of “possible” French airplanes that took part in the SCW, among which he casually included the D.510 one. However, he did not achieved his objective. Neither Cuny, nor Laureau nor myself bid for it.
I believe the present situation is similar. Actually, both myself and other members of the forum have pictures of some of the aircrafts in the list, but none of us have any intention to share this information with Mr. Schwarzadler
:-\
 
Mr. Miranda,

I wondered when you would show up- Mr. V-7 hoaxer with your "Unknowns" series of known a/c and known LW projekt a/c.

I find it anusing that you make an open accusation about money- no such intentions here as I am sure you know my identity and my free site(s).

Most of the a/c I posted ARE well-known by those of us that specialize in rare a/c with a few others less so.

And you deal in drawings. Someone here is the US can see your work in Antarctic Press comic books... so I do not buy your lies about holding actual pics of these rare a/c.

What you have is a series of LW projekt a/c drawings mixed with some of your faked flugscheiben drawings. And you sell from Spain. YOU are the seller and I would not trust even one of your drawings. I can hire an artist myself to conceptualize from description and other art.

Be so bold as to state what actual _photos_ you have off of my list if you can be a man about it.

I have all types of rare a/c on my site- not drawings, but pics.

So put up, or shut up. I have a wide array of wind tunnel pics and some German rare a/c built there and postwar in other nations. So do others. Unless you can prove otherwise, your claims are invalid and as baseless as your petty accusations.

You can pass that along to Lowther too with his scavenged APR material.

SA
 
Well, it looks like Schwarzadler is a pseudonym for the well-known Rob Arndt. Congratulations, Rob, you are banned.
 
overscan said:
Well, it looks like Schwarzadler is a pseudonym for the well-known Rob Arndt. Congratulations, Rob, you are banned.
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Never heard of him. I'm guessing I'm one of the lucky few. He reminds of a kindergartner on the playground, "I know something you don't, na, na, naa, na, na." ::)

Needless to say, he's been added to my list of people not worth knowing.
 
Rob Arndt = operator of the infamous Greyfalcon.us, aka "Black Sun" site.
 
Ah, now that would explain a great deal.
Just for the record: shouldn't need to say this but any regular visitor to this forum will know that contributions made by Justo Miranda (and Scott Lowther) are remarkable for their generosity, detail, accuracy and informativeness. However, these are not qualities much on display in the above posts by 'Schwarzadler'.
(Just my tuppence-ha'penny.)
Cheers,
'Wingknut'.
 
malcolm said:
Here, Here (or is Hear, Hear?)
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I'm pretty sure it is "Hear hear!".

Which I'll be happy to second. It is really nice that these people with greater knowledge and resources take their time to enrich us.
 
Regarding the He419 - still haven't seen anything about the type, other than a single 3-view drawing and some proposed versions that mirror advanced He219A/B designs (which doesn't make sense, as the '419 was supposedly intended as a short-cut to exactly those design roles). As to the suggestion of six or more being built, the only note I've found for ANY special He219 family batch of six was the mention of some "He219A-7/R5" fitted with Jumo213Es.

Some of the other types he was looking for I still haven't found anything on to even identify, are they real or just post-war wishful thinking?
 
Hi,

here is the Fokker P.203 drawing and technical data;

Span 8,40 m
Length 7,30 m
Height 2,85 m
Wing 21,80 m2
Empty weight 735 kg
Pilot + parachute 90 kg
Gas + oil 125 kg
Total weight 950 kg
Maximum speed 220 km/h
Cruise speed 170 km/h
Endurance 510 km
Climb to 1000 m 3,2 min
Climb to 2000 m 7,2 min
Climb to 3000 m 12,2 min
Climb to 4000 m 20 min
Ceiling 5200 m
Maximum ceiling 5700 m
 

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Hesham, that doesn't look like a 1940 aircraft, it resembles the Fokker DVII and DVIII of WW1.

A fascinating find though, where did you locate it?
 
Hi Nick,

the source;

http://members.tripod.com/hans_vossers/d7html/d7-1940.htm
 
As far as I remember, the Fokker P 203 project was a larger sized Fokker D VII replica . It was designed as a gift for Hermann Goering after he visited the Fokker factory in Amsterdam in 1940 or 1941. He saw there an original Fokker D VII which he flew in WW I, but because of his size, it didn't fit him anymore. That's why they made this proposal. Just have to check the source of this story in my files.
 
Sorry for re-posting old data everyone......should have been more thorough
in my archives check.


Cheers.
 
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