Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF)

TomcatViP said:
Also, not to be overlooked, any F-35 arrival in Switzerland will doubtless bring a significant economic impact to include an infusion of jobs and possible technological sophistication in the world of aeronautics, weaponry and aviation, not to mention stealth. The Lockheed proposal seems well aware of this possibility, stating “should the F-35 be selected as the new fighter for Switzerland, this industrial work would take place in all Swiss regions. Swiss industry has the opportunity to compete for direct production of components for use on all F-35s produced, sustainment projects focused on supporting the Swiss Air Force and enhancing Swiss autonomy, and cyber security projects directly related to the F-35.”
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https://www.foxnews.com/tech/switzerland-preps-to-buy-f-35.amp
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Not mentioned there, but on regional (Swiss) news places: Local F-35 production would be offered for only 4 planes - and only for quite an additional cost on top of the nearly 6 billion $ limit. Other contenders offer complete final assembly of all planes - within the contract limit.
And: "Swiss industry has the opportunity to compete for direct production of components for use on all F-35s produced." ...is not really what was asked for. It was asked for 60% of contract value to come back to Swiss industry. That all gives F-35 a very hard stand to win.

Edit: Link to such information:
https://www.defensenews.com/global/...ir-offers-in-high-stakes-swiss-warplane-race/
 
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Not sure. Early on Swiss MoD specifically explicited that transfer was all about sustaining the plane and SAM system in house with the local industry. Something LM agreed.
IMOHO this was in order to restrain Europeans to ran for a Belgian package as offered to Belgium by Dassault with endless political talking around redefining Swiss defensive posture (what is a defense pack) when this is neither needed nor suitable.

See the 4 airframe as an incentive to boost local industry knowledge on modern military technology, something any 1980's fighter wouldn't be able to offer...

LM even detailed manufacturing and software apps as the two domains where they think Swiss industry was well positioned to compete.

Obviously, this unless acting MoD changed her mind.
 
It is not about tech transfer (alone), but money coming back. 60% is a set demand in the contest. There was a lengthy and hot debate in the MoD about it with this as final conclusion. 4 Airframe production is not within the given money limit. Therefore not a serious option. Or Switzerland would have to reduce the amount of planes accordingly to cover the additional cost. That would be how many? 5? As mentioned: not a serious option. It is not allowed to use additional money, otherwise a new poll would be needed. The poll was won with 50.4% only. There is for sure no second chance or to ask for more money. Only this much of money or nothing at all.
 
Dec' 2020
Annual deliveries - 123
Total delivered - 614

Year.....Annual Rate...Total Units
2011...........9.................9
2012..........29...............38
2013..........35...............73
2014..........36..............109
2015..........45..............154
2016..........46..............200
2017..........66..............266
2018..........91..............357
2019........134..............491
2020........123..............614
 
When you understand that F-35s can fly anywhere un-impaired in the M.E, a region only limited by access to technology in their weapons acquisition policies, you've to wonder if anyone has a real sense of the awe power yet in the hands of those gifted to get their buy flying.

The F-35 program is not only a weapon, it's a change of era in the military akin to the Renaissance in arts.
 
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TomcatViP said:
When you understand that F-35s can fly anywhere un-impaired in the M.E, a region only limited by access to technology in their weapons acquisition policies, you've to wonder if anyone has a real sense of the awe power yet in the hands of those gifted to get their buy flying.

The F-35 program is not only a weapon, it's a change of era in the military akin to the Renaissance in arts.
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Yeah, lets just hope it hits FRP in '21.
 
Of the total 123 supersonic, stealthy F-35 fighter aircraft manufactured, 74 were supplied by Lockheed Martin to the US military, 31 to international partner nations and 18 to Foreign Military Sales customers this year.
As a result of the Covid-19 pandemic and related supplier delays, the company revised its annual aircraft delivery goal from initial 141 to 117-123 in May 2020.
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https://www.airforce-technology.com/news/lockheed-martin-italian-air-force/
 
Racer said:
It is not about tech transfer (alone), but money coming back. 60% is a set demand in the contest. There was a lengthy and hot debate in the MoD about it with this as final conclusion. 4 Airframe production is not within the given money limit. Therefore not a serious option. Or Switzerland would have to reduce the amount of planes accordingly to cover the additional cost. That would be how many? 5? As mentioned: not a serious option. It is not allowed to use additional money, otherwise a new poll would be needed. The poll was won with 50.4% only. There is for sure no second chance or to ask for more money. Only this much of money or nothing at all.
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Something which isn't mentioned with the tech transfer aspects of the F35 is the changes regularly required to client state intellectual property policies. These can be surprisingly onerous and far reaching, especially where F35 parts manufacturing or maintenance is involved.
 
jeffb said:
Something which isn't mentioned with the tech transfer aspects of the F35 is the changes regularly required to client state intellectual property policies. These can be surprisingly onerous and far reaching, especially where F35 parts manufacturing or maintenance is involved.
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This is based on what exactly?
 
marauder2048 said:
jeffb said:
Something which isn't mentioned with the tech transfer aspects of the F35 is the changes regularly required to client state intellectual property policies. These can be surprisingly onerous and far reaching, especially where F35 parts manufacturing or maintenance is involved.
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This is based on what exactly?
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marauder2048 said:
jeffb said:
Something which isn't mentioned with the tech transfer aspects of the F35 is the changes regularly required to client state intellectual property policies. These can be surprisingly onerous and far reaching, especially where F35 parts manufacturing or maintenance is involved.
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This is based on what exactly?
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Actually nothing. I'm confusing dual use export controls with IP restrictions. My bad.
 
Bhurki said:
TomcatViP said:
When you understand that F-35s can fly anywhere un-impaired in the M.E, a region only limited by access to technology in their weapons acquisition policies, you've to wonder if anyone has a real sense of the awe power yet in the hands of those gifted to get their buy flying.

The F-35 program is not only a weapon, it's a change of era in the military akin to the Renaissance in arts.
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Yeah, lets just hope it hits FRP in '21.
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...ts-f-35-full-rate-production-decision-on-hold
 
Acatomic said:
Bhurki said:
TomcatViP said:
When you understand that F-35s can fly anywhere un-impaired in the M.E, a region only limited by access to technology in their weapons acquisition policies, you've to wonder if anyone has a real sense of the awe power yet in the hands of those gifted to get their buy flying.

The F-35 program is not only a weapon, it's a change of era in the military akin to the Renaissance in arts.
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Yeah, lets just hope it hits FRP in '21.
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...ts-f-35-full-rate-production-decision-on-hold
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Oh, darn.. I guess i jinxed it.
 
A change in doctrine that could bear some importance here:
In a statement issued on 29th December, the Swiss military announced the round-the-clock quick-reaction availability of two F-18s for protection of the nation’s airspace.

“From now on, the air police service will be on call 24 hours a day to guarantee the security and the sovereignty over Swiss airspace,” the statement said.
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https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss-air-force-finally-on-call-around-the-clock/46253116Also noted by the Aviationist:
https://theaviationist.com/2021/01/...lock-swiss-airspace-protection-last-week/amp/
 
An expert believes this legislation benefits the USAF because it may be able to modify and use these aircraft in situations where using new, operational F-35As would be cost-prohibitive. A retired USAF pilot, who was given anonymity because he is not authorised to speak to reporters, told Janes on 4 January that these situations include exercises and maintenance training.

They also include using the aircraft to experiment with new technologies or to train new test pilots. Using test aircraft in these situations would be much cheaper than using “full-up” F-35As, the retired pilot said.

These original test aircraft are in long-term storage because they are the oldest version of the F-35 and do not resemble the current A-model versions. These test assets have older avionics and test instrumentation, for example, and thus have very limited utility in their current configuration.
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https://www.janes.com/defence-news/...t-us-air-force-to-acquire-f-35a-test-aircraft
 
hooray something slightly less boring!

but don't some US Navy F-35s have some color too?
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Maariv, a the second largest and trustful newspaper published in Israel, reported that some Israeli F-35I Adirs will participate for the very first time in an international military exercise outside Israel. The Adirs will be flown over from Nevatim air base (Israel) to Italy.

The Heyl Ha'Avir (IAF, Israeli Air Force) said that the aim of the exercise is to enhance cooperation and relations between the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) and the Aeronautica Militare (AMI, Italian Air Force). It is expected that other allies will take part in the exercise too. Together they will conduct flights in an unfamiliar field that examines the ability to deploy stealth aircraft and the required systems.

The IAF stated that despite the coronavirus crisis, they see great importance in continuing international military exercises, and at this stage there is no change in the programmes to implement many maneuvers this year outside Israel.

There has been no confirmation about the exercise from the Italian side yet. If the exercise will take place, Scramble assesses that it will take place from Amendola / Luigi Rovelli air base where the AMI with 32° Stormo / 13° Gruppo is operating the F-35As. The tough security measures required for Lightning and Adir operations are already integrated in the infrastructure of that air base. It is very well possible that Decimomannu air base at the isle of Sardinia will be involved as well, as earlier the IAF participated in combined exercises with the AMI from that location. Israel is currently operating with three Adir squadrons: 116sq "The Southern Lions Squadron", "The Mighty Squadron" and 140sq "The Golden Eagle Squadron". The trio is under command of the Adir Divison.

https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/adirs-vs-lightnings-exercise-expected-in-italy
 
UAE deal on inauguration day:
the agreement was signed about an hour before Biden was sworn into office. The document gave the United Arab Emirates the chance to accept the negotiated schedule and configuration of the jets while also making the purchase request official.
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The final in-country delivery date for the F-35 jets could not immediately be confirmed, but the initial proposal sent to UAE said 2027, the people said.
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https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN29P2C0
 
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The Lockheed Martin-made F-35′s mission capable rate — which describes the percentage of aircraft that can meet at least one of its assigned missions — currently sits at 69 percent, falling short of the military’s longstanding 80 percent goal, said Ellen Lord,
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I don't think it's too bad. That number is an above average for many NATO air forces for example.

Regarding the parts that break often, I do think that the change in materials from Aluminum to CFRP might have a play into that with storage and handling tools probably not adapted to parts being more susceptibles to impacts and more bulky (complex shapes). Think also at moisture level that might degrade material on the long term.
 
That's a bit rose-tinted view of the situation.
Those 69% include 33% of the fleet that cannot perform all assigned missions.
The Lockheed Martin-made F-35′s mission capable rate — which describes the percentage of aircraft that can meet at least one of its assigned missions — currently sits at 69 percent
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When looking at fully mission capable aircraft able to perform all of the F-35′s assigned missions, “we’re currently at 36 percent fully mission capable, and we are striving to be at 50 percent for the fleet,” she added.

Lord attributed the low percentage of fully mission capable jets to ongoing issues with the F-35′s canopy and the F135 engine’s power module.
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Well, stats can be discussed at length but let's not go head-butt on this number.
 
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Grey Havoc said:
https://www.defensenews.com/air/202...-still-isnt-meeting-its-f-35-readiness-goals/
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Such articles are meaningless without some context. For instance, if one took the recent GAO report on Mission Capable Rates for Selected Department of Defense Aircraft (GAO-21-101SP) one would see things such as the following chart which shows to a degree how the F-35 compares to other platforms in this context.

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Now, this is not to say that the F-35 doesn't have issues. It certainly does though at the same time it is still in the process of entering service so these should be expected. But again, how does that compare against other platforms??
 
FMC is "all required missions" not "all assigned missions" which gives a hint
as to its origin: the requirements docs.

Which in turn makes FMC of limited operational utility because no
commander has a fighter simultaneously tasked for say CAS and DCA.

And modern mission planning software that will run on laptops can take
fine-grain aircraft configurations and predict mission outcomes.

FMC goals are haphazardly devised and assigned, may not be in ORDs
or maintenance contracts. Example: OSD rescinded the 80% MC
directive for FY20 and beyond which apparently the author of that
article doesn't know about.

FMC reporting dramatically under-predicted GW1 fighter performance and
the operational side within DOD has been trying to move away from it ever since.
 
TomcatViP said:
The mistake is mine obviously. I should have correctly written starboard to name the side of the damaged engines and pod.
Regarding the damages on port side (hence left and right on the photo), don't forget the massive fuel leak (photo and probably comms - mentioned by the pilot in his mayday call). I won't be surprised if he flew through debris. That could also explain the single prop blade missing on engine #1 as the pod.

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I saw same airframe Over fortnight earlier here at RAF Mildenhall.

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As it had gone Tech week or so earlier. Anyhow if you remember my post with my photos of VMFA-211 Wake Island Avengers arriving here at RAF Marham, for their work up on QE carrier well this KC-130J turned up few days later to Marham carrying more support kit etc. It took off and headed to RAF Brize Norton way then went tech and ended up being at Mildenhall for week or so, did s couple of maintenance test flights after be8ng fixed then went back home to Cherry Point

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I took this when At RAF Lakenheath when it Finally left ..

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