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Any idea what "Non-MADL EA Mech" refers to?
However the MADL system is apparently something that exists more or less as software, not a separate set of boxes or antennas.
It would be interesting to do a quick survey to see how many (if any) active missiles come with a Ku band seeker which would would make a current or future - Multi-Functional MADL aperture attractive for EA in addition to comms.
Hmmm having actually designed for stealth, it does not aid aerodynamics unless you are starting .....
Hmmm having actually designed for stealth, it does not aid aerodynamics unless you are starting .....
I was referencing what I had read from the ATF designers, about how the aligned edges aided the high alpha regime, in terms of controlling the vortices being shed (You don't want a curved leading edge) and also yaw stability at higher alpha due to the sloped sides of the fuselage. As an aeronautical engineer as well, I understand everything you're saying. One of the reasons Lockheed had to redesign their original ATF submission, besides being overweight, is it didn't have enough tail volume to push the nose back down with the large area chines it had originally. Why that wasn't caught in the initial design review is beyond me, as I wasn't there, but it seems obvious to me.
Also, the store separation issue you brought up can clearly be seen in the Super Hornets outward canted pylons, which still drives me nuts (Due to the added frontal area/drag increase).
Hmmm having actually designed for stealth, it does not aid aerodynamics unless you are starting .....
I was referencing what I had read from the ATF designers, about how the aligned edges aided the high alpha regime, in terms of controlling the vortices being shed (You don't want a curved leading edge) and also yaw stability at higher alpha due to the sloped sides of the fuselage. As an aeronautical engineer as well, I understand everything you're saying. One of the reasons Lockheed had to redesign their original ATF submission, besides being overweight, is it didn't have enough tail volume to push the nose back down with the large area chines it had originally. Why that wasn't caught in the initial design review is beyond me, as I wasn't there, but it seems obvious to me.
Also, the store separation issue you brought up can clearly be seen in the Super Hornets outward canted pylons, which still drives me nuts (Due to the added frontal area/drag increase).
The Super Hornet has curved leading edges on it's strakes too.
I think it probably helps to move towards dual and multi-band conformal arrays, space permitting, just given the long term survivability and LPI/LPD goals. The size of these apertures would probably be platfrom specific so no reason to hold the B-21 to the SWaP constraints of of the F-22 or F-35.
Multi-Band Antenna for Data Links
The FRF-229 multi-band panel antenna offers high performance for data links in L-, S-, C- and Ku-Bands, aligning with modern multiband radio terminals. The antenna apertures and RF amplification for all bands are contained within a single air-cooled housing that enables simple platform...www.microwavejournal.com
I think it probably helps to move towards dual and multi-band conformal arrays, space permitting, just given the long term survivability and LPI/LPD goals. The size of these apertures would probably be platfrom specific so no reason to hold the B-21 to the SWaP constraints of of the F-22 or F-35.
Multi-Band Antenna for Data Links
The FRF-229 multi-band panel antenna offers high performance for data links in L-, S-, C- and Ku-Bands, aligning with modern multiband radio terminals. The antenna apertures and RF amplification for all bands are contained within a single air-cooled housing that enables simple platform...www.microwavejournal.com
Thinking about it you're probably right, it wouldn't surprise me to find out that the B-21 will use some sort of multifunction array that can communicate with IFDL/MADL providing the array has the bandwidth to cover those two waveforms. Theoretically it would just need the software to run it assuming the array can meet those constraints.
Does the Talon HATE pod cover both of those wave forms (IFDL/MADL)? Regardless, it seems like it wouldn't be difficult to incorporate both into a new, larger airframe. The B-21 should have plenty of antenna space.
It’d be cool to see Raptors in an aggressor scheme. Probably unlikely that they would with the special coatings and all, but a guy can dream.F-22 Raptors Could Become Aggressors Under Air Force's Radical New Training Plan
F-22s, which are in notoriously short supply, could perform other duties, including playing the bad guy, if new pilots needed fewer training sorties.www.thedrive.com
I don't know about that.It’d be cool to see Raptors in an aggressor scheme. Probably unlikely that they would with the special coatings and all, but a guy can dream.F-22 Raptors Could Become Aggressors Under Air Force's Radical New Training Plan
F-22s, which are in notoriously short supply, could perform other duties, including playing the bad guy, if new pilots needed fewer training sorties.www.thedrive.com
Well that's also I suppose part of the question, although the 15 carries them on rails likesidewinders. The 22 has the 9x on rails. I amnot a military pilot but are there not limitations when not launching off rails like a bottle rocket?
Forgot about F-22s carrying AIM-120s externally. Yes, they're rail launched in that condition. No, rail launch doesn't magically turn the AIM-120 into a dogfight missile. It has the same functionality whether it's rail launched or ejected.The 22 doesn't carry any missiles externally like the 15? Ever? Like when its carrying drop tanks? I know the 15 uses a mix of options for amraam. I am just asking if the amraam is a "dogfight" missile when not fired from rail. If its not then the 35 doesn't have a dogfight missile except externally carried. I don't type out everything on a tablet because it constantly screws up words. Recall 35 phot firing 9x while in a roll? That's a dogfight missile.Well that's also I suppose part of the question, although the 15 carries them on rails likesidewinders. The 22 has the 9x on rails. I amnot a military pilot but are there not limitations when not launching off rails like a bottle rocket?
The F-22 does not launch AIM-120s off rails. The F-15 does it both ways (rails and ejectors) depending on where it's mounted.
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Forgot about F-22s carrying AIM-120s externally. Yes, they're rail launched in that condition. No, rail launch doesn't magically turn the AIM-120 into a dogfight missile. It has the same functionality whether it's rail launched or ejected.The 22 doesn't carry any missiles externally like the 15? Ever? Like when its carrying drop tanks? I know the 15 uses a mix of options for amraam. I am just asking if the amraam is a "dogfight" missile when not fired from rail. If its not then the 35 doesn't have a dogfight missile except externally carried. I don't type out everything on a tablet because it constantly screws up words. Recall 35 phot firing 9x while in a roll? That's a dogfight missile.Well that's also I suppose part of the question, although the 15 carries them on rails likesidewinders. The 22 has the 9x on rails. I amnot a military pilot but are there not limitations when not launching off rails like a bottle rocket?
The F-22 does not launch AIM-120s off rails. The F-15 does it both ways (rails and ejectors) depending on where it's mounted.
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Wikipedia has a pic.Forgot about F-22s carrying AIM-120s externally. Yes, they're rail launched in that condition. No, rail launch doesn't magically turn the AIM-120 into a dogfight missile. It has the same functionality whether it's rail launched or ejected.The 22 doesn't carry any missiles externally like the 15? Ever? Like when its carrying drop tanks? I know the 15 uses a mix of options for amraam. I am just asking if the amraam is a "dogfight" missile when not fired from rail. If its not then the 35 doesn't have a dogfight missile except externally carried. I don't type out everything on a tablet because it constantly screws up words. Recall 35 phot firing 9x while in a roll? That's a dogfight missile.Well that's also I suppose part of the question, although the 15 carries them on rails likesidewinders. The 22 has the 9x on rails. I amnot a military pilot but are there not limitations when not launching off rails like a bottle rocket?
The F-22 does not launch AIM-120s off rails. The F-15 does it both ways (rails and ejectors) depending on where it's mounted.
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F-22A can carry AIM-120s externally, but it haven´t seen it yet except for testing.
When you´ve pics of the contrary, please share them.
Wikipedia has a pic.Forgot about F-22s carrying AIM-120s externally. Yes, they're rail launched in that condition. No, rail launch doesn't magically turn the AIM-120 into a dogfight missile. It has the same functionality whether it's rail launched or ejected.The 22 doesn't carry any missiles externally like the 15? Ever? Like when its carrying drop tanks? I know the 15 uses a mix of options for amraam. I am just asking if the amraam is a "dogfight" missile when not fired from rail. If its not then the 35 doesn't have a dogfight missile except externally carried. I don't type out everything on a tablet because it constantly screws up words. Recall 35 phot firing 9x while in a roll? That's a dogfight missile.Well that's also I suppose part of the question, although the 15 carries them on rails likesidewinders. The 22 has the 9x on rails. I amnot a military pilot but are there not limitations when not launching off rails like a bottle rocket?
The F-22 does not launch AIM-120s off rails. The F-15 does it both ways (rails and ejectors) depending on where it's mounted.
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F-22A can carry AIM-120s externally, but it haven´t seen it yet except for testing.
When you´ve pics of the contrary, please share them.
AFAIK, there exists also 1 pic (only?) of an F-22 testing an external load of 4 amraams.
Do you honestly believe they wouldn't carry more if they needed to?AFAIK, there exists also 1 pic (only?) of an F-22 testing an external load of 4 amraams.
I must correct myself: It is with no less then 8 external amraams, and it is a ...¨PS-job of the F-22 with the 2 external amraams
Would be hard to find the source now, but some F-22 project manager said the external amraam will never happen because of some aerodynamics/stress problems. Or to be more precise, I think it was the second (outter) hardpoint that led to those problems.AFAIK, there exists also 1 pic (only?) of an F-22 testing an external load of 4 amraams.
I must correct myself: It is with no less then 8 external amraams, and it is a ...¨PS-job of the F-22 with the 2 external amraams
Do you honestly believe they wouldn't carry more if they needed to?AFAIK, there exists also 1 pic (only?) of an F-22 testing an external load of 4 amraams.
I must correct myself: It is with no less then 8 external amraams, and it is a ...¨PS-job of the F-22 with the 2 external amraams