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German Fake Aircraft of 1930s & 1940s

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Hi,

We can speak here about fake Germany aircraft of 1930s and 1940s.

http://www.ageofaces.net/category/the-story-behind-the-cover/
 

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Yes my dear Jemiba,

so I thought it was a fake aircraft.
 

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If you have the magazines, fill us in on the stories. Why the WWI aircraft going up against these Luftwaffe 1937 airplanes?
 

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If anything it proves the obsession with "Wonderwaffe" goes back beyond the Luft 46 influences.
 

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H,

here is a drawings for Junkers fighters,the lower was EF.128,and the upper was not
known,of course with miss identification.

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Alata/Alata%201951%2002.pdf
 

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From Ailes 5/1945,

here is a two hypothetical drawings to Messerschmitt Me.264 and Dornier Do.335.
 

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Single-jet Me 109.

Browsing through some microfilm the other day, I found this (attached). It's a description card for the captured German document which follows. A single jet version of the Me 109!

Sadly, it seems whoever assessed the document didn't understand that 109-003 was the BMW 003's full RLM designation and nothing to do with the Me 109. There's no mention of the Me 109 in the BMW document; it's just a description of the 109-003.

Not a fake exactly - but this seemed like the place to put it.
 

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Nice Info my dear Dan,

and of course it was a fake.
 

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Hi,

here is a fake Heinkel HSX.315 flying bomb as I translate,but very strange ?,even I don't
know if the first two drawings belonged to this fake Heinkel design or not.

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ali%20nuove/1951/Ali%20nuove%201951%2008.pdf
 

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Very strange concepts from Germany,and the problem is mentioned a real designers names ?;

1,2 & 3 - the caption mentioned the designer Felix Kracht,a well known,and in picture one
and two,it looks like Arado E.381,and he called it K.T.1 ?.

4 & 5 - they mentioned Mr. Von Döll,a head of the aerodynamic of the Junkers company ?,
he created an Interceptor and a Bomber.

Please can experts answer us and check from those Projects ?,I put them here reserved
for any conclusion.

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ali%20nuove/1952/Ali%20nuove%201952%2003.pdf
 

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Hamzalippischh said:
The third image looks a lot like the "Heinkel T".

That's right my dear Hamza,

but what about the others ?.
 

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Hi,

I think all of those were a fake aircraft,am I right ?.

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ali%20nuove/1952/Ali%20nuove%201952%2003.pdf
 

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Hi,

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ali%20nuove/1954/Ali%20nuove%201954%2004.pdf
 

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For the last one see https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,30083.0/all.html, so it's not a fake, just a bad illustration/interpretation.
 

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Hi,

in most reliable sources,the Henschel HS.315 was a missile Project,I found this Model,
but of course we can't believe it was real,specially they mentioned that,the idea was
for nuclear rocket-bomb ?.

https://www.panzerfux.de/Sort-by-nation/1-72/1-72-Wehrmacht/rocket/1-72-Henschel-Hs-315-nuclear-rocket-powered-bomb.htm?shop=panzerfux_e&SessionId=&a=article&ProdNr=BIM-72171&p=19991

During the final war-phase, Henschel Factory went into planning for a nuclear rocket-bomb (Henschel Hs 315) project, which was earmarked for long-range missions. At the end of 1944, actual work started and two main goals for the project were defined: Development of a weapon to be probably decisive for the outcome of the war and therein the decision that Henschel Hs 130 (high altitude bomber) project was to be continued, since in February 1944,Erhard Milch, Head of RLM (Reichsluftfahrt-Ministerium, German Airforce Ministry), had given orders to discontinue all works for Hs 130 and to scrap all existing prototypes. In order to get the maximum range, Hs 315 had not only two stub wings at the fuselage tip, it was to have also circular (3,4m length) wings at the end of the fuselage area. The flying bomb, weighing up to 6.4 tons was to be propelled by a Diglycol-powder rocket motor and had a planned maximum velocity of 1,000 km/ph. It was to be transported by a Henschel Hs 130 A or Hs 130 E to a height of 16,000 m before release to mission. In order to get best target accuracy, Hs 315 was also to be wire-guided. Additionally to this project, Henschel Factory in Kassel had also a research department for nuclear-physics, which worked on the development of an uranium bomb. With enemy troops approaching Kassel, most documents concerning Hs 315 were destroyed
 

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Complete utter BS.....

Nazi Germany was absolutely nowhere near having a nuclear weapon and even if they were why on earth would it be an airdropped guided (by hand controller-radio or wire control) missile?
 

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May the Force be with you !
I knew it from the start, Darth Vader was a Nazi ! ;)
 

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The best myths start with a grain of truth, surrounded by a series of progressively smoother layers. .. the same way that an oyster produces pearls.

That Delta vaguely reminds us of a prototype glider built by Lippish during WW2. Most of Lippish's sketches had longer wing spans and higher aspect ratios.
Lippish's delta prototype was captured by American soldiers and shipped to the USA. Unfortunately, it was damaging in transit, so never flew. However, Lippish accompanied his prototype to the USA and supervised testing his Delta in NACA wind tunnels. They also tested the prototype with a series of different leading edges, canopies and fins. Later, Lippish helped Convair design the F-102 Delta Dart and F-106 Delta Dagger supersonic interceptors.
 
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If anything it proves the obsession with "Wonderwaffe" goes back beyond the Luft 46 influences.

Yes, during the 1930s, American pulp, aviation adventure magazines frequently included ficticous airplanes (e.g. Bill Barnes). Some were based upon hopelessly obscure WW1 concepts and prototypes.
 

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Single-jet Me 109.

Browsing through some microfilm the other day, I found this (attached). It's a description card for the captured German document which follows. A single jet version of the Me 109!

Sadly, it seems whoever assessed the document didn't understand that 109-003 was the BMW 003's full RLM designation and nothing to do with the Me 109. There's no mention of the Me 109 in the BMW document; it's just a description of the 109-003.

Not a fake exactly - but this seemed like the place to put it.
The description sounds Bf109 modified along the lines of the Yak-15. Realistically, I'd argue that the main landing gear arrangement on the Bf109 would work well with such a configuration.
 

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- Early in 1943, the Technisches Amt (RLM Technical Office) asked Messerschmitt if the Bf 109 G could be adapted to take one Jumo 004 turbojet. The answer was negative.

In fact, the firm had all the necessary resources to comply with the RLM requirement: using the wing of the Me 209 and the nosewheel of the Me 309, it would only have been necessary to design a new central wing section so that the attachment points of the undercarriage would not interfere with the jet exhaust.

In April 1946, the Soviets demonstrated with their Yak-15 that these precautions were unfounded. The new Yakovlev fighter was based on the same formula and was powered by the same turbojet, being mass-produced and entering into service smoothly in May 1947.

The integration of the turbojet in the airframe of a Yak-3 piston fighter was relatively simple. It was only necessary to modify the wing spar central section, replace the tailwheel with another metallic, protected by a blast deflector, and to cover the lower part of the fuselage with steel plates. The Soviets successfully used the same formula on the experimental prototypes Lavochkin La-152 (October 1946), La-156 (March 1947) and La-160 (June 1947), all propelled by copies of the Jumo 004. The Italians also used this aerodynamic solution in their prototypes Ambrosini "Saggitario I" (January 1953) and their first supersonic aircraft Aerfer "Saggitario II" (May 1956).
 

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- Early in 1943, the Technisches Amt (RLM Technical Office) asked Messerschmitt if the Bf 109 G could be adapted to take one Jumo 004 turbojet.

There is no evidence for that. At the GL meeting of May 28, 1943, both Messerschmitt and Focke-Wulf proposed single-jet fighters based on existing airframes - the minutes of the meeting clearly state that this proposal came from the companies, not the RLM. Messerschmitt chose the Me 163 airframe, resulting in the P 20. Focke-Wulf chose the Fw 190, resulting in what was later referred to as the '1. Entwurf'.
There does appear to be evidence that Messerschmitt offered a version of the 109 with Me 262 wings, but the minutes of the meeting where this was supposedly proposed are so far proving impossible to locate. But there is not evidence for a single-jet 109. The point I was trying to make was that the idea of a single-jet 109 arises from a misinterpretation of the primary source material. Please do not continue to perpetuate that error.
 
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