GCV Infantry Fighting Vehicle

I wonder why they jump right from the 30mm to the 50mm SuperShot? No consideration towards the 40mm SuperShot, conventional 35mm, or 40mm CTA?
 
beleive in Janes IDR there was also a 55mm Supershot proposed, but yes each rd would take up quite a bit of space.
 
Actually, isn't the supershot round the same length and width but without the taper?
It might displace more air, but I don't think it's going to cut down on ammo capacity to any real degree.


I do have a question about the supershot.
In addition to the ADFSDS round, is there a full caliber explosive round for this weapon? Without one it would seem to be a one trick pony that's less versatile than the 35mm it replaces.
 
There is a 50mm Programmable Airbursting Munition round (a scaled-up AHEAD) as well as the sabot. I've not seen a pure HE round, but it's hard to imagine that one would not be made.
 
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I believe the EAPS round evolved to use a larger chamber than the baseline 50mm Supershot. If so, it wouldn't be compatible with the baseline Bushmaster III. If I'm reading the link below correctly, the EAPS test rig combines parts from Bushmaster III and IV.

http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2012armaments/Wednesday14018luciano.pdf

Interesting. The earlier presentations depicted a notional "production" EAPS cartridge that was shorter and narrower than both the "optimized" and "workhorse" cartridges shown in the above preso.

Looking at the dimensions for 50mm Supershot, EAPS would have to lose about 6 inches in overall cartridge length to stay within the 50mm Bushmaster III confines.
 
Colonial-Marine said:
I wonder why they jump right from the 30mm to the 50mm SuperShot? No consideration towards the 40mm SuperShot, conventional 35mm, or 40mm CTA?

The attached presentation (from May 2014) mentions an upgrade path to 40mm SuperShot for the XM813.
 

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TomS said:
I believe the EAPS round evolved to use a larger chamber than the baseline 50mm Supershot. If so, it wouldn't be compatible with the baseline Bushmaster III. If I'm reading the link below correctly, the EAPS test rig combines parts from Bushmaster III and IV.

http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2012armaments/Wednesday14018luciano.pdf
Thank you TomS for posting the link, but to remain contrarian, one would have to point out that the highest velocity before diminishing returns occurs appears to be the 60mm according to the presentation.
 
http://www.defensenews.com/story/breaking-news/2015/06/02/us-army-awards-contracts-for-future-fighting-vehicle-designs/28358693/
 
GCV will be a.............rebuilt Bradley?

http://breakingdefense.com/2016/10/rebuilding-the-m2-bradley/
 
bobbymike said:
GCV will be a.............rebuilt Bradley?

http://breakingdefense.com/2016/10/rebuilding-the-m2-bradley/
Yeah, just as "rebuild" as some helicopters.

"More horsepower. Higher suspension. A blast-resistant underbody. Safer fuel tanks. A larger hull."

Basically they build an entire new hull with all new insides, and slap the old turret on.
 
General Dynamics GCV proposal
(inclusion of last pic, w photo of mockup interior - is my guess based on position and number of hatches, and similarities to render of crew and dismounts on 4th pic)
I'm still trying to find any drawings of it, or any other renders - unsuccessfully, so far.
 

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Notional design, one of several, and most illustrated
 

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another notional design, but this one is with unmanned turret
 

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I know these are old comments.

Don't want to sound ignorant - too late - but could you 'Namer' an Abrams? Understanding the Merkava has the rear hatch for troops already my guess is too complex to do to an Abrams.
Not easily. Abrams has the engine and transmission in the rear, Merkava in the front.

So you'd have to start by flipping the whole chassis around back-to-front, just to get a large volume in the hull for the troop bay.

Then you can build the superstructure to let the grunts stand up inside, ~6'6" to 7' between deckplates and internal ceiling. 6"+ from deckplates to bottom of hull, for the v-shape. 16" ground clearance. So we're talking about something ~9ft tall to the top of the back deck.



Here's a simple question--in the 21st century environment with a focus on assymetrical warfare, does every IFV really need a big gun in a turret?

With the off-the-shelf (or nearly so) solutions available, why not mix turreted IFVs with fewer seats with turretless APCs with more seats (CV90s and Armadillos, for example, or a Puma-based equivalent) to carry the same number of troops in the same number of vehicles? The turretless APCs would still have remote weapons stations up to and including .50 cal MGs and 40mm grenade launchers and there are any number of solutions to provide additonal precision fire support, for example, a Griffin mini-missile derivative or a more powerful Switchblade armed, disposable UAV.

If the focus is on asymmetric warfare, does every vehicle need a big gun?
1) yes, every vehicle needs a large gun, anything visibly less well armed would be isolated and attacked in a COIN situation. Also, if your vehicle in contact has all the tools on it, you cannot have some asshole in the rear deny your request for (insert weapon type here). So each RWS is likely to have a laser dazzler, an LRAD loudspeaker, both an IR and visible light searchlight, and maybe even one of those microwave "pain rays" to make people stop (I'm not sure if the microwave can scale down small enough and still be safe).

2) you don't EVER want to split fireteams between vehicles. That's the single greatest failure of the old Bradley model, and it's why the new Mechanized Assault platoon has 6x Bradleys instead of 4x. They're only packing 4-5 dismounts per Bradley so that each fire team stays together, one fireteam per vehicle. (The old model was 1.5 fireteams per vehicle, so 4x Bradleys carried 6x fireteams. Which meant that as long as the entire platoon stayed together you'd be more or less okay when everyone debussed, then the 3rd squad would organize themselves from the split fireteams.)
 
General Dynamics GCV proposal
(inclusion of last pic, w photo of mockup interior - is my guess based on position and number of hatches, and similarities to render of crew and dismounts on 4th pic)
I'm still trying to find any drawings of it, or any other renders - unsuccessfully, so far.
With turret fully covered by blue tarp, standing next to Abrams tank hull (in the backyard of GDLS headquarters in Sterling Heights, MI), and with large box-like structures mounted on the left and right sides of the rear exit,
one Damian Ratka have identified it, (or at least posted about it on tank-net forums and other places), as a prototype of GDLS-led team's proposal for GCV program.
...
Also, this pic was posted, with previously unknown to me image of the same version of GCV in top-left corner:
 

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If I remember correctly of the manual of urban combat of the US army , the 25mm bushmaster in urban fighting is used principally to make holes in walls .

Bigger caliber is necessary because it's more easy to make Multipurpose fuze . ( I think that the 30x173 is enough )
But in asymetrical wars , there are generaly no armored vehicles or little .
So one feed with HEI and the other with SAPHEI ?

It's more commonly used as a counter-sniper rifle but yes you can hose down a Western European or American wall.

Soviet or Iraqi ones...ennnh. I think that's why the overbore MATADOR-WB exists.

edit: Oh my god I replied to a comment from 12 years ago lmao.

With turret fully covered by blue tarp, standing next to Abrams tank hull (in the backyard of GDLS headquarters in Sterling Heights, MI), and with large box-like structures mounted on the left and right sides of the rear exit,
one Damian Ratka have identified it, (or at least posted about it on tank-net forums and other places), as a prototype of GDLS-led team's proposal for GCV program.
...
Also, this pic was posted, with previously unknown to me image of the same version of GCV in top-left corner:

I didn't think GCV made it past the digital design phase given how quick it wrapped up wow.
 

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