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The only thing more alarming than these breaches is the lack of a massive response.

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2011/09/chinese-hacking-201109

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the 2007 hack of Defense Secretary Robert Gates’s computer finally made some in Washington take the cyber-espionage problem seriously. The Pentagon has admitted that in June of that year it had to shut down part of the computer system in Gates’s office after the attack

After the hackers got RSA keys they went into Lockheed, Northrop, General Dynamics, and other defense contractors systems.
 

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http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-02-14/a-chinese-hackers-identity-unmasked
 

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It really seems like they would have important stuff like this on some kind of intra-net that was not connected to the larger Internet as a whole. Might be tricky to access that remotely with a laptop when it was necessary, however.
 

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The New York Times hits back: P.L.A. unit 61398 - a.k.a "Comment Crew" - in Shanghai gets some fairly intense sunlight treatment.

Chinese Army Unit Is Seen as Tied to Hacking Against U.S.
Mandiant Intelligence Center Report (APT1: Exposing One of China's Cyber Espionage Units)

I don't know what I'm more surprised about - the relative simplicity of the attacks, or that those methods have worked to this extent in the first place. Anyhow, it doesn't bode well for the future that technologically ... well, let's be charitable and call them "savvy" elements of the P.L.A. apparently see the whole of the internet as an expendable asset in what amounts to a shockingly crude power play. I see no reason to be politically correct about Chinese state hacking; this directly threatens not only other nations' interests but the overall empowering genius of the net. State actors have their own resources, but I'd say that this above anything else calls for sanctions from every private actor on the net before this idiocy ruins things for all of us.
 

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BBC take: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-21502088
 

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China Lashes Back at Hacking Claims (Wall Street Journal) [Subscription may be required]

BEIJING—China fought back against a U.S. computer security firm's accusations that a Chinese military group stole large amounts of data from U.S. companies, saying the U.S. is the top source of attacks against Chinese targets.

Speaking at a daily press briefing on Tuesday, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei denied accusations from Mandiant Corp., which said in a report released Monday that a group attached to the People's Liberation Army stole data from more than 100 U.S. companies over a seven-year period.

"Cyberattacks are anonymous and transnational and it is hard to trace the origin of attacks, so I don't know how the findings of the report are credible," Mr. Hong said.

At the same time, Mr. Hong said China has been a frequent victim of cyberattacks, and he added that the U.S. has been the top source of such attacks. China has suffered virus attacks, and Chinese personal computers have come under control by foreign Internet addresses, he said.

When asked if China believed that the U.S. government is behind the attacks, Mr. Hong said "we can only say they originated in the U.S.," which he said was "entirely different from media reports that the Chinese government or the Chinese military are responsible" for the attacks detailed in the U.S. computer security firm's report. He cited research by a Chinese computer emergency response center affiliated China's Ministry of Industry and Information Technology.
 

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet-security/9880195/Chinas-cyber-war-machine-threatens-us-all.html

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/02/chinese-army-linked-to-hacks/
 

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21515259
 

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http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/20/17022378-expert-us-in-cyberwar-arms-race-with-china-russia
 

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This is getting really interesting. No peace for Human kind, after war and cold war, we have cyber war. China and America are not fighting with ICBM but using computers instead. Anyway this is not going to be good.
 

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http://apnews.myway.com/article/20130225/DA4LGDNG2.html

BEIJING (AP) - Beijing hotly denies accusations of official involvement in massive cyberattacks against foreign targets, insinuating such activity is the work of rogues. But at least one element cited by Internet experts points to professional cyberspies: China's hackers take the weekend off.
 

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http://www.warisboring.com/2013/02/27/tinker-tailor-soldier-malware/

http://www.informationdissemination.net/2013/02/2013-patterson-school-crisis-simulation.html
 

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/3/suicide-of-american-in-singapore-questioned/?page=1
 

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/10/obama-rejected-tough-options-countering-chinese-cy/
 

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http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/03/13/1645254/bruce-schneier-a-cyber-cold-war-could-destabilize-the-internet
 

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http://www.gsnmagazine.com/node/28720?c=cyber_security

http://www.sicherheitstacho.eu/?lang=en
 

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On a tangent: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/9939401/Rules-of-cyberwar-set-out-for-first-time-in-Nato-manual.html
 

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http://www.defensenews.com/article/20130326/C4ISR02/303260021/Cyber-Threats-Can-Lurk-DoD-Electronics-Software-Purchases
 

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Very brazen behavior from Chinese professional hackers during the 2009 - 2010 "Aurora" attacks against Google and Microsoft. One of the main targets seems to have been unveiling accounts under surveillance by FISA orders. I may be wrong but this seems to suggest that either the Chinese were under the impression that they could intrude the largest tech companies in the U.S. scot free and/or undetected, or that their standing humint (throughout academia, companies, etc.?) capacity in the U.S .is so large that compromised assets can be removed at no substantial risk to the whole espionage effort.

Washington Post: "Chinese hackers who breached Google gained access to sensitive data, U.S. officials say" (May 20th, 2013)
 

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In related news: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/29/us-china-defence-idUSBRE94S03O20130529
 

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Its going to be tough for this administration to take the high ground against Chinese hacking when <a href="http://thedocs.hostzi.com/">it's just been revealed you have vast mechanisms in place to watch your own people....</a>
 

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But monitoring e-mail on a public service carrier is quite different to penetrating security at company data servers.
 

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Bill Walker said:
But monitoring e-mail on a public service carrier is quite different to penetrating security at company data servers.
A couple of things. If you look at the slides it is called "prism". It's called that because they use a prism to split the fiber optic signals of the backbones and intercept EVERYTHING coming across it and not just one carrier.

Secondly, its hard to press the Chinese for being "Cyber-jerks" when it is just revealed you've "George Orwell'd" your own country...
 

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sublight is back said:
Bill Walker said:
But monitoring e-mail on a public service carrier is quite different to penetrating security at company data servers.
A couple of things. If you look at the slides it is called "prism". It's called that because they use a prism to split the fiber optic signals of the backbones and intercept EVERYTHING coming across it and not just one carrier.

Secondly, its hard to press the Chinese for being "Cyber-jerks" when it is just revealed you've "George Orwell'd" your own country...
Indeed. And news out today seems to indicate that there was a concerted effort to penetrate the J-20 programme at CAC by placing people in the programme, as well as systematically hacking Chinese cyberspace over the last 15 years.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10124615/Chinas-state-media-says-extraditing-Edward-Snowden-would-be-unwise.html

If true, none of this is really a surprise though.
The only real surprise is that people seem to think it's only the Chinese at it.

People wouldn't be doing their jobs right if this didn't go on.
 

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But we're making it easy for the opposition because idiots like Army analysts post the names of their intel tools on Linkedin:

ANCHORY, AMHS, NUCLEON, TRAFFICTHIEF, ARCMAP, SIGNAV, COASTLINE, DISHFIRE, FASTSCOPE, OCTAVE/CONTRAOCTAVE, PINWALE, UTT, WEBCANDID, MICHIGAN, PLUS, ASSOCIATION, MAINWAY, FASCIA, OCTSKYWARD, INTELINK, METRICS, BANYAN, MARINA.
 
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This is rather troubling. Did we lose our right to tell China to stop hacking? Not sure how we can tell them that without making us look like hypocrites. Also, has our government even denied any of Snowden's claims of our hacking yet?
 

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China's cyber espionage is unacceptable. It's time for trade sanctions. Hit them where it hurts most.

Dismantling the opposing arguments:

(1) We do it too, so it's OK if they do it: They do it MORE - more frequent, more severe, and with more impact on our economy (loss of proprietary data). Since we are the ones with the technology, what exactly can we steal from them? Innovation is the lifeblood of America, and they are stealing our innovation. I strongly suspect that our spying on China is just good old fashioned "what are they up to" spying, rather than cyber theft.

(2) A trade war hurts everyone: Yes, but it doesn't hurt everyone equally. We buy from them. We are the customer. If we heavily tariff Chinese goods, then other supplier countries will expand their capacity to take up the slack. India, Malaysia, Mexico. There will be a period of pain until this occurs, though, but after that China is screwed and we are fine.

So let's hammer the Chinese with sanctions, and let the chips fall where they may.
 

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EricChase88 said:
(2) A trade war hurts everyone: Yes, but it doesn't hurt everyone equally. We buy from them. We are the customer. If we heavily tariff Chinese goods, then other supplier countries will expand their capacity to take up the slack. India, Malaysia, Mexico. There will be a period of pain until this occurs, though, but after that China is screwed and we are fine.

So let's hammer the Chinese with sanctions, and let the chips fall where they may.

Why don't you suggest that to some of your businesses that rely on Chinese production...make sure you have good running shoes though since they will be ready to lynch you for such stupid comments!
 

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EricChase88 said:
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So let's hammer the Chinese with sanctions, and let the chips fall where they may.

Walmart says no, we wont be doing that..... You didn't actually think legislators had the final say so did you???
 

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GTX said:
EricChase88 said:
(2) A trade war hurts everyone: Yes, but it doesn't hurt everyone equally. We buy from them. We are the customer. If we heavily tariff Chinese goods, then other supplier countries will expand their capacity to take up the slack. India, Malaysia, Mexico. There will be a period of pain until this occurs, though, but after that China is screwed and we are fine.

So let's hammer the Chinese with sanctions, and let the chips fall where they may.

Why don't you suggest that to some of your businesses that rely on Chinese production...make sure you have good running shoes though since they will be ready to lynch you for such stupid comments!
Outsourced labor is unskilled and replaceable. Those businesses don't need Chinese production, they need labor. Without US innovation and designers the Chinese manufacturers are lost without a purpose.
 

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That is an overly simplistic and ignorant view of the reality of the situation.
 

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Back to the future?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/10173645/Kremlin-returns-to-typewriters-to-avoid-computer-leaks.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23282308
 

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http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/hackers-chinas-cyber-army-taiwan-test-target-6C10679979
 

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http://freebeacon.com/china-military-preparing-for-peoples-war-in-cyberspace-space/
 

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http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?230538-China-s-internet-registry-suffers-largest-ever-attack
 
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