End of the Internet as we know it, at least in Europe?


ACCESS: Confidential
Aug 18, 2020
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I hope we're not so stupid as to implement something like this here in the US but I don't have high hopes. Just look at all the stupidity / hysteria around "net neutrality". Too many people in positions of power eager to abuse the potential of the internet.
US copyright law is already terrible. Software patents can be even worse. Have ever heard of patent trolls?

True story: a number of years ago (iirc, it was in the go-go 90's), somebody copied several hundred lines of copyleft (see https://www.gnu.org/licenses/copyleft.en.html) code, filed for a patent, on code he stole, which was granted, and proceeded to sue the author of the code for patent violations.

And won.

Charlie Stross has predicted the government will soon outsource copyright enforcement to corporate entities like the RIAA which will sub it out to organized crime. Seems likely to me.


ACCESS: Top Secret
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Aug 2, 2006
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Its not about the pirates. Its about people who operate under fair use and fair dealing or the grey areas of the law.

Its a diabolically poor law, ripe for misuse, near impossible to implement technically. Just what you expect from a bunch of clueless politicians.

Content sharing sites such as this forum will be directly liable en masse for any errors in rights management committed by their users. It also makes linking to content something you have to pay the site you are linking to for.

Link to a news story? Violation! Copy the first sentence from the article? Double Violation!

The only defence allowed is the implementation of an automated content take down service to allow rights holders to register, submit their content claims and remove any work they deem infringes their copyright. If the system takes longer than 1 hour from notice to removal, you are operating illegally. There is no right of dispute, no claim of fair use, satire, parody, no burden of proof.

Nobody running a small website like this can even attempt to build such a system - Youtube's ContentID system cost them $60 millon to set up.

To remain compliant, you'd have to shift to Reddit or another big platform. No choice to stay legal.

Then sit back and watch as, say, Boeing assert copyright on all images of Boeing aircraft, and you find the photo you took of a Boeing plane at the airport gets removed. That photo of a model you took and uploaded to Wikimedia as public domain is taken by one of the big picture libraries, then asserted as theirs, and now you can't post it anywhere because the automated content systems remove it.

This already happens to artists of all kinds in small numbers.
What's funny about that is it will have the exact opposite affect they are hoping for. It won't make people go to the original sites, it will just make people angry and they will avoid those sites even more. Hell, some sites that used to be free, when I go to read stories linked to the site, and they say you have to be subscribed to read the story, I just leave. They're just accelerating their own irrelevance. Also, you'll see much of that stuff being "off shored" to servers in countries that don't a give a crap about any of that you'll be able to see what you want. The same way those same politicians hide their money from taxes.


ACCESS: Top Secret
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Jul 15, 2007
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Control what information people can access, control those people.

Rather like know what information someone has and what they are communicating and you are effectively seeing the world through their eyes.

The logic of the Internet, is it's distribution. The lack of a pre-microcomputer era 'central computer', around which clustered the 'priesthood' who controlled access, what ran on it and what outputs to share.

The problem for the modern Internet is the political and corporate power the likes of Google have. Which favours server farms and effectively centralisation of facilities. Along with what is effectively a Silicon Valley Cartel.

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