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In " Luftwaffe Victorious " than i can borrowed for 1 hour on archive.org , i have seen possible evolution of Do-19 . Dornier Do-219 seems be a " small B-29 " with Bmw engines of Db-603 engines with nose influenced by Heinkel 116 . It was a plausible evolution of Dornier Do-19 if development of Do-19 was not stopped. In "Luftwaffe Victorious " scenario Dornier Do-219 is put in production in 1941 when Heinkel 177 have troubles with engines ( like in our timelines) .
 

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Hmm. This "Do219" looks almost exactly like a B-29, particularly in the case of the engine nacelles, wings, and tail surfaces. The nacelles do not look anything like BMW 801 or DB603 nacelles that I have seen.

Nor does it seem plausible that a design of this kind could have evolved from the Do19.
 
Yep, just the usual Wunderwaffe fetish. Do 19 becomes a B-29 and of course is 900% more effective and better in everyway compared to a B-29 because it has "Hergestellt in Deutschland" stamped on it.

Like drawing up a Handley Page Hampden Mk.II looking like an Douglas A-26 Invader...

It's a shame as I hoping it might have been a more interesting AH proposal.
 
"Luftwaffe Victorious"? Do19 into Do219? Please look at the Do19? How could anyone think that redrawing it to look as a B-29 could produce a B-29? Aircraft design is a matter of engineering not black magic.

Designing and manufacturing machines is a complex process involving many steps. Learning about it is one of this forum purposes. The B29 was an engineering prodigy and going from the early concept to the USAAC was an impressive effort. So impressive in many areas that it was impossible to replicate for the III Reich. The real history is exciting enough to focus basically on it.

We can dream and research about reigns of fantasy in parallel universes under different physical conditions...but this is off topic in secret projects forum.
 
I have seen triggered comments !!
When we speak about Alternate history we must admit that a little speculation .
 
For what it's worth...

Is it reasonable to assume the following?

The performance of a Do 219 (with 4 BMW801s or 4 DB603s) would have been similar to that of the Do 217 (with 2 BMW801s or 2 DB603s) and it would have carried double the weight of bombs.
 
Hi Iverson,

iverson said:
Hmm. This "Do219" looks almost exactly like a B-29, particularly in the case of the engine nacelles, wings, and tail surfaces. The nacelles do not look anything like BMW 801 or DB603 nacelles that I have seen.
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You're undoubtedly right. Ironically, I would say the creator of the artwork never did see the drawings of the actual Do 417 project, which are remarkably similar to the drawings posted here, except for scale as the Do 417 was a twin-engined project.

The Do 417 can be found here:


There are a lot of similarities otherwise, but I'd guess they are all coincedental, since with the Do 417 as a basis, there'd be no need to borrow so heavily from the B-29, for example in wing shape.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)
 
Up-powering from 4x600hp to 4x1500hp?

Good luck with that. B-17s only went from 750hp to 1250hp.
 
Scott Kenny said:
Up-powering from 4x600hp to 4x1500hp?

Good luck with that. B-17s only went from 750hp to 1250hp.
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Where does 600hp come from? As far as I know the Do19 and Ju89 were designed to have four engines in the 1,000hp class.
  • The Do19V1 flew with four 715hp Bramo 323H-2 engines.
  • The Do19V2 flew with four 810hp BMW 132F engines.
  • The Ju89V1 flew with four 1,075hp Jumo 211A engines.
  • The Ju89V2 flew with four 960hp DB 600A engines.
My guess is that the pair of Do19 prototypes were completed with less powerful engines to get them in the air as soon as possible.

With the Ju 290B that (via the Ju 90) evolved from the Ju89 they went from 960hp to 1,970hp.
 
NOMISYRRUC said:
Where does 600hp come from? As far as I know the Do19 and Ju89 were designed to have four engines in the 1,000hp class.
  • The Do19V1 flew with four 715hp Bramo 323H-2 engines.
  • The Do19V2 flew with four 810hp BMW 132F engines.
  • The Ju89V1 flew with four 1,075hp Jumo 211A engines.
  • The Ju89V2 flew with four 960hp DB 600A engines.
My guess is that the pair of Do19 prototypes were completed with less powerful engines to get them in the air as soon as possible.

With the Ju 290B that (via the Ju 90) evolved from the Ju89 they went from 960hp to 1,970hp.
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those are the takeoff/War Emergency power ratings.

Continuous power for the Bramo 322H2 9cyl radial engine is only 600hp.

The DB603 that the Do219 was supposed to get per the OP makes 1726hp takeoff/1500 continuous.
 
HoHun said:
Hi Iverson,



You're undoubtedly right. Ironically, I would say the creator of the artwork never did see the drawings of the actual Do 417 project, which are remarkably similar to the drawings posted here, except for scale as the Do 417 was a twin-engined project.

The Do 417 can be found here:


There are a lot of similarities otherwise, but I'd guess they are all coincedental, since with the Do 417 as a basis, there'd be no need to borrow so heavily from the B-29, for example in wing shape.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)
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Yes, in alternate ww2, Dornier could be had taken elements from Dornier 217/317/417 for improve Dornier Do 19 in a new plane.
 

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