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I start from the end of the Trait d'Union collection, to get corrections before mistakes.
#175:
In 1922 Show was presented the Buscaylet-De Monge 5-2 fighter and a drawing of the 3-engined 7-2 (9000kg weight plane for 30 passengers on 1000km distance at speed over 200km/h).
Louis-Pierre de Monge de Franeau was a Belgium citizen, born in 1890 and deceased July 25th 1977 in New York. He built his first airplane in 1911. He worked during WW1 for the Lumière company. After the war, he stayed technical director for Lumière while creating his own design bureau. He designed and built many machines in France. After the failure of them, he went and worked in Belgium for Imperia. In 1937, he has been the designer of the Bugatti racer for the Deutsch de la Meurthe Cup.
 

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From "Le Trait d'Union" #171:
The Type 120 of the Exino company founded by Louis De Monge was a 3-seater for night reco. A derivative with 2 engines of 400hp would have reached 230km/h and 7,000m (instead of 200km/h and 5,700m). The program it was competing in was canceled in 1932. The 120 never flew and the Exino Co. disappeared.
 

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“Le Trait d’Union” #171:
- The Exino company created by Louis De Monge presented in December 1930 a project Type 140, three-engined airliner with inhabited wing. Weight 18 tons, power 2,000 hp total , flying at 230km/h 5,000m.
- A mock-up has been built in 1931 of a BN-4 class “flying wing” (like the Type 120). 245km/h 7,000m. Cancelled because the company disappeared.
- In 1935, De Monge designed a small 2-seat “flying-wing”, to be constructed at Starck and Guénot Co. With a Rubis-Péquignol engine.
 

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“Le Trait d’Union” #164, texts without picture:
- Type 6.1: designed in 1921, amphibious with hull for 15 passengers, Paris-NewYork line (imagined…). 3 engines of 500hp. Looking like the Richard Penhoet 2. Not built.
- Type 8-1: for the program 52/3, De Monge presented in 1926 a biplane CN2 built in wood (only one copy built). 1 engine Fiat 700hp.
- Type 9-1: monoplane fighter with a 500hp Salmson engine. Static tests but not flown.
- 10-1: licence-built Koolhoven FK31 slightly modified of military class C2. One prototype built.
- 160: tourism single-engine two-seater, 1926, 1 engine Anzani 35hp.
 

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Excellent my dear Tophe,

thank you very very much,and can I ask about two aircraft,
the first 8-1 CN2 and what is that mean,two-seat naval fighter
or not,and the second 9-1,I think it was submitted to 1923 C.1
competition.
 

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hesham said:
and can I ask about
the first 8-1 CN2 and what is that mean,two-seat naval fighter
or not,
According to http://www.aviafrance.com/aviafrance1.php?ID=3749
it seems a CN2 is "un Chasseur de Nuit biplace" (a 2-seat Night Fighter)
 

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Marvelous projects my dear Tophe,


Thank you very much,and for Hanriot projects,I will open a new
topic for it.
 

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Tophe said:
From Le Trait d'Union #224 Nov-Dec 2005: a Louis De Monge flying wing airliner project, 1934.
It is funny because the same aircraft appears on the front page of a document signed by Rolland Payen around 1940, and with Payen name written on the fins!
 

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I required expert analyze from our Payen expert: dear Deltafan.
Deltafan said:
Si le dessin de couverture n'est pas un Payen, ça expliquerait pourquoi l'article n'en parle pas (les seuls Payen cités sont uniquement ceux que l'on trouve dans l'ouvrage d'Alain Pelletier : Les ailes volantes). Maintenant pourquoi y a-t-il marqué Payen sur ce dessin de de Monge ? Sais pas. Peut-être une simple erreur de l'éditeur et/ou une confusion avec d'autres projets Payen, comme le projet Pa.361 TP de 1937, qui a vaguement la forme de ce de Monge ?
In English: If the cover drawing is not a Payen, that would explain why the included article does not mention it (the only mentionned Payen being the ones found in Alain Pelletier's book "Flying Wings"). Well, why is it written PAYEN on the De Monge design? I don't know. Maybe a mistake by the publisher and/or a confusion with other Payen projects, like the Pa.361TP of 1937, which has a similar layout (?).
Thanks a lot, Deltafan, it is nice to have such experts among us! explaining puzzle mysteries...
 

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Thanks Tophe and Deltafan. Indeed, not a word on this cover project in Payen article.
BTW, is there a drawing available of this Payen 361TP of similar layout?
Thanks in advance.
 

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I have thorougly examined all the info I have on Payen, but I couldn't come across anything about the De Monge-Payen flying wing as shown in the drawings above. I hope someone can clarify this because it's extremely interesting!
 

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Retrofit said:
Thanks Tophe and Deltafan. Indeed, not a word on this cover project in Payen article.
BTW, is there a drawing available of this Payen 361TP of similar layout?
Thanks in advance.
 

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Great pic! However I wouldn't call this design "similar". In profile form there may be similarities, but the planform is completely different.
 

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Ahem, i don't know the good translation for : comme le projet Pa.361 TP de 1937, qui a vaguement la forme de ce de Monge ;)
 

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Deltafan said:
Ahem, i don't know the good translation for : comme le projet Pa.361 TP de 1937, qui a vaguement la forme de ce de Monge ;)
"... such as the Pa.361 TP project of 1937, the shape of which is vaguely reminiscent of the De Monge..."
 
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