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http://www.darpa.mil/program/multi-azimuth-defense-fast-intercept-round-engagement-system

To help meet these needs and greatly enhance maritime vessels’ survivability in contested environments, DARPA has created the Multi-Azimuth Defense—Fast Intercept Round Engagement System (MAD-FIRES) program. The goal of the program is to design and develop technologies associated with a medium-caliber guided projectile that would combine the guidance, precision and accuracy generally afforded by missiles with the speed, rapid-fire capability and large ammunition capacity afforded by bullets.
 

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Sounds similar the Super Rapido 76mm with DART ammunition used on these. (Phalanx almost seems like a toy by comparison.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dws73t21g8
 

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The DARPA program is odd, as it seems redundant with the Army's push for (57mm?) guided rounds and the Italian Otomerla 76mm ammunition. It also seems redundant with the hypervelocity round being developed for 5inch cannon, 155mm, and railgun.

Perhaps it is seen as a parallel development project to bring those weapons into something ready for the US Navy. Or, it'll be another waste of money.
 

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DrRansom said:
The DARPA program is odd, as it seems redundant with the Army's push for (57mm?) guided rounds and the Italian Otomerla 76mm ammunition. It also seems redundant with the hypervelocity round being developed for 5inch cannon, 155mm, and railgun.

Perhaps it is seen as a parallel development project to bring those weapons into something ready for the US Navy. Or, it'll be another waste of money.
MAD-FIRES is looking at 40mm and smaller (30x173 in particular for Stryker and the AC-130) projectiles which will also inform HVP.
 

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Thank you for postin. Can't understand why not pursued. A lot better solution for many applications than some others being purposed. Imagine material science could take this..

PS: believe somewhere DARPA intimated .50cal rds for MADFIREs is the goal.
 

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jsport said:
Thank you for postin. Can't understand why not pursued. A lot better solution for many applications than some others being purposed. Imagine material science could take this..

PS: believe somewhere DARPA intimated .50cal rds for MADFIREs is the goal.
The power consumption requirements for the ETC mount dramatically exceeded that of any existing CIWS installation.
Future installations (DD(X), CG(X) etc) needed to use insensitive propellants which didn't exist for ETCs until
relatively recently.

On the .50 cal front, DARPA is looking for Conformal RF Seekers for MAD-FIRES which strikes me as difficult to incorporate
into anything smaller than 25mm.
 

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Imagine MAD_FIRES using the Apache's 30mm

Next, put that 30mm on the OV-10X

Now orbit the AO with a load of ammo in the rear bay and snipe bad guys with said 30mm hugs.
 

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marauder2048 said:
jsport said:
Thank you for postin. Can't understand why not pursued. A lot better solution for many applications than some others being purposed. Imagine material science could take this..

PS: believe somewhere DARPA intimated .50cal rds for MADFIREs is the goal.
The power consumption requirements for the ETC mount dramatically exceeded that of any existing CIWS installation.
Future installations (DD(X), CG(X) etc) needed to use insensitive propellants which didn't exist for ETCs until
relatively recently.

On the .50 cal front, DARPA is looking for Conformal RF Seekers for MAD-FIRES which strikes me as difficult to incorporate
into anything smaller than 25mm.
Sensor guided smooth bore fired 7.62mm is no great shakes (plenty work on it from competing sources) .. the Squad could protect itself from ISIS quadrotor IEDs.. a matter of cost, of course.
 

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jsport said:
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Sensor guided smooth bore fired 7.62mm is no great shakes (plenty work on it from competing sources) .. the Squad could protect itself from ISIS quadrotor IEDs.. a matter of cost, of course.
Almost all of which are either CLOS or EO/IR which is not what you want in the maritime CIWS environment particularly against dim targets.
 

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From DOD Contracts: Feb. 10, 2017


Lockheed Martin Corp., Missiles and Fire Control, Grand Prairie, Texas, has been awarded an agreement modification totaling $8,153,741 through the addition of Phase II base tasks to a previously awarded other transaction (OT) for prototype project agreement for the Multi Azimuth Defense Fast Intercept Round Engagement System (MAD-FIRES) program. Under modification P00005, the government negotiated and added a Phase II base effort, Option 1 and Option 2 to the previously awarded OT agreement, HR0011-15-9-0008. The MAD-FIRES program is an advanced technology development and demonstration program to create a gun launched, medium caliber, guided, actively controlled projectile with significantly improved range and accuracy over current systems. The entire Phase II program (base, Option 1, and Option 2) is to be accomplished in 30 months. The addition of the MAD-FIRES Phase II base program increases the total cumulative face value of the agreement to $18,073,602 from $9,919,861. Work will be performed in the following locations: Grand Prairie, Texas (76.92 percent); Minneapolis, Minnesota (6.28 percent); Montville, New Jersey (4.52 percent); Dallas, Texas (3.57 percent); Brea, California (3.12 percent); Bethesda, Maryland (1.99 percent); Keyser, West Virginia (1.37 percent); Marion, Illinois (1.16 percent); and Westminster, Maryland (1.07 percent). The Lockheed Martin MAD-FIRES Phase II base program is expected to complete on Nov. 9, 2017. The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, located in Arlington, Virginia, is the contracting activity.
 

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I wonder if this program is an outgrowth of the 50mm guided projectile seen at the 46 second mark on this ARDEC video. They use the word "projectile" so I am assuming this isn't the MHTK missile.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpNtV_309Ns


The Exacto guided 50cal bullet also seems to fit into this general area of development. The end point of that could wind up in some SciFi movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7wOX2WqbXE
 

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Phase IIB/IIC for Multi-Azimuth Defense Fast Intercept Round Engagement System (MAD-FIRES)

Added: Apr 02, 2018 6:51 am Raytheon Co., Tucson, Arizona, has been awarded a $22,784,990 modification (P00012) to previously awarded HR0011-15-C-0081 to add Phase IIB/IIC tasks for the Multi-Azimuth Defense Fast Intercept Round Engagement System (MAD-FIRES) program. The Phase IIB/C program will further advance MAD-FIRES system design finalization work, perform spread-bench testing of the final system design, and create a final form-fit-function design that can be demonstrated through a series of flight tests. The modification brings the total cumulative face value of the contract to $50,710,385 from $27,925,395. Work will be performed in Tucson, Arizona (90 percent); and Raufoss, Norway (10 percent), with an estimated completion date of May 2020. Fiscal 2017 research and development funds in the amount of $276,378; and fiscal 2018 research and development funds in the amount of $7,200,000 are being obligated at the time of award. The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, Arlington, Virginia, is the contracting activity.
 

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Just wish the Majors could be trusted
Not sure what you mean here. :confused:
TomS said it best
Barrett Aerospace Technologies looks like a small consultancy run by Ronald Barrett, an Aerospace Engineering professor at Kansas University (hence the KU logo on the slide). He's Director of KU's Adaptive Aerostructures Laboratory, whihc explains his interest in this project.

 

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Just wish the Majors could be trusted
Not sure what you mean here. :confused:
TomS said it best
Barrett Aerospace Technologies looks like a small consultancy run by Ronald Barrett, an Aerospace Engineering professor at Kansas University (hence the KU logo on the slide). He's Director of KU's Adaptive Aerostructures Laboratory, whihc explains his interest in this project.
Okay. . .that doesn't explain who "Majors" are and why they can't be trusted.
 

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Thought everyone knew what a large Defense contractor is called a "major" a "large (systems) integrator" etc.

The guided technology being tested should be.,338 Lapau Magnum etc, .50cal or 20mm at maximum size. 30mm 40mm 50mm should be a old hat by now.

What happened to other major ie LM and guided small arms?
 

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First that came to my mind was baseball, and I'm not even a fan.
 

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Thought everyone knew what a large Defense contractor is called a "major" a "large (systems) integrator" etc.

The guided technology being tested should be.,338 Lapau Magnum etc, .50cal or 20mm at maximum size. 30mm 40mm 50mm should be a old hat by now.

What happened to other major ie LM and guided small arms?
What would you be hoping to accomplish by trying to shoot down a missile with a .338? Too small for guidance AND an explosive charge. (These things have proximity fuses for near misses.)
 

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Thought everyone knew what a large Defense contractor is called a "major" a "large (systems) integrator" etc.

The guided technology being tested should be.,338 Lapau Magnum etc, .50cal or 20mm at maximum size. 30mm 40mm 50mm should be a old hat by now.

What happened to other major ie LM and guided small arms?
What would you be hoping to accomplish by trying to shoot down a missile with a .338? Too small for guidance AND an explosive charge. (These things have proximity fuses for near misses.)
,,point was only to express a need for a family guided muntions. Intercepts in general should be larger allowing for missile/projectile anyway in IMHO,
 

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Sure but the peak acceleration from the 57mm M110 is gentle compared to what a .50 BMG would experience from most
practical, portable rifle barrel lengths.
 

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Because the MMFCR will serve as the target illumination radar for Mad-Fires, so I guess it uses the semi-active radar seeker or radio frequency beam guidance system (just like DART) to guide the ammunition toward target.

"... Resource usage per mission (horizon surveillance, surface search, periscope detection, and designated tracking) characterizing search coverage, search frame time, track acquisition times, number of dedicated track actions supported, number of communication links supported, and number of concurrent MADFIRES target illuminations. ..."

 
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incidentally, recently ordered by USN 57-mm projectiles (ALaMO) Mk 332 HE-4G also can engage airborne threats

Mustang Technology Group L.P., doing business as L-3 Mustang Technology, Plano, Texas, is awarded a $9,195,869 cost-only contract for long-lead material in support of the 57mm MK 332 High Explosive-4 Bolt Guided Cartridge ammunition. The HE-4G cartridge is a 57mm electrically-primed cartridge designed to function in the 57mm MK 110 GM, and is intended for combating surface and air targets.

 

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True, but ALaMO's anti-air performance is scoped more toward slower UAVs/Helicopters while MAD-Fires is an anti-ASCM raid weapon.
 

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The Raytheon, Tucson, Arizona, has been awarded an $11,133,688 cost-plus-fixed-fee contract modification to previously awarded contract to develop long-lead, high-risk items in preparation for the MAD-FIRES Phase III program. Work will be performed in Tucson, Arizona (61%); McKinney, Texas (22%); and Karlskoga, Sweden (17%), with an estimated completion date of January 2021.

 
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