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BAC (Vickers) Type 589 variable-sweep bomber

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It looks to me like the BAC 583 OR 589 (I confuse the numbers, sorry) but if I remember rightly it appears in Tony Buttlers British Secret Projects series, I'm sure thats where I've seen it before.
 

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Thanks,

it bears resemblance with the one in this pic posted by Overscan here:

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1961.0/highlight,bac+583.html

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Antonio
 

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A better quality pic
 

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Thanks Overscan,

Comparing that enlarged pic I realized that it is not exactly the same as BAC 583 VG
 

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My guess is that it is indeed a hypothetical, "what if we designed to the TSR2 spec with swing wings?" design. Interesting since I'm pretty certain that by the time of Paris 1963, no TSR2 pic had been released, and I'm not sure that even a 3-view had been cleared. Also, it's a pretty good piece of foot-shooting marketing to say that the swing wing is smaller and more efficient than the TSR2 design. Maybe there was a Fort Worth mole in the BAC sales office.
 

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I was as right as I can be in my first post, by which I mean I have found the plane in Tony Buttlers BSP Jet Bombers, the photographs in there appear to be of this very model, but from different angles and the text states how it is 'probably' an early version of the BAC 589 ( not 583) before the intakes were redesigned, they ended up looking similar to those of todays Tornado.

I guess the 'probably' is because at this time BAC were proposing various VG projects numbered in the 580-590 range and it is now impossible to tell exactly which one it is.

You could say that all of these were hypothetical TSR 2 type designs, but they did have project numbers of their own.
 

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Waynos,

could you please tell the page number in BSP Jet Bombers to take a look at it?

Thanks in advance

Antonio
 

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Sure, its on page 125, the whole section there shows more of BAC s VG designs too
 

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You're right sir :),

that's the aircraft

BAC(Vickers) Type 589 (28.1.63) Brooklands Museum.
3 views on page 124
Desktop model on page 125
BSP Jet Bombers since 1949. Tony Buttler. Midland.

Thank you very much for the help!

Antonio
 

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In Derek Wood's Project Cancelled he shows a picture of a "Secret" British Aircraft Corporation exhibition from about 1964. The swing -wing Lightning is at the centre of the display, but you can just make out various drawings on a board behind, including a TSR 2 with swing wings. Even more tantalising is a whole row of TSR2-like aircraft desk models with various armament fits shown at the bottom of the board.

Someone with good contacts to the BAe North West heritage chaps at Warton might be able to get more, but I think this is only possible if you worked at BAe or BAC/English Electric. I know there is a brochure on swing wing aircraft based on the display board, but the pictures are according to the person who has it no more detailed than the board drawings. Unfortunately there still seems to be a lot of secrecy about this period, but also much of the stuff was simply junked or ended up in people's studies.

BAe would really be doing themselves a favour if they could rescue some of this material and demonstrate to today's trainees and students what an amazing capacity we had back in the 60s.

UK 75
 

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Anyone know what this is? All I know is it is about 1958 time period.

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The wing sweep mechanism seems to be of the same kind, as that of the Folland
Fo.147/148., without a fixed part of the wing. A similar concept seems to be the
one shown in Aviation Week 10/1967 :
 

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Barrington Bond's pic from 'BAC' is an English Electric P.17 era study.

If you're still interested after 2 years!

Does anyone have any pics of the Folland Fo.148 other than those in the BSP that mentions it? Or know of any other source that covers it?
 
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