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AVRO Avrocar Topping Model Original Box c.1960 found on eBay

URL: http://www.ebay.com/itm/AVRO-Avrocar-Topping-Model-Original-Box-c-1960-/310340811001?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4841c0f8f9

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Offered in this auction is an extremely rare and excellent original Topping manufacturers model of the Avro Avrocar with the original box, c.1960! This piece is 9" in diameter, and in excellent overall condition. There is one decal partly missing from the base, and minor paint loss on the brass wheels, otherwise fine. The piece had been displayed for many years, and will need a careful cleaning, or not. I'm selling the piece "as found". Just acquired from a local estate of a long time senior executive of AVRO/Orenda in Rexdale, Ontario, not far from the plant. These models were purchased by the company and presented to senior engineering staff and team members working on the project at the time. Unheard of in the original box with some of the original packing material. Quite the find for any number of serious collections, a rare piece of aviation history!
 

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I must admit to always being intrigued by this machine.

So my one question is, in the scaling up of its principal, why didn't it work?

Much cheers to all.
 

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Could it be built today, especially with the advent of the computer control technology added for stability control?
 

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I didn't quite think it was stability problems. More the fact that the beast simply wouldn't fly...

Though I am running of my admittedly faulty memory.

Looking forwards to learning more.
 

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In a confidential Lockheed report dated January 9, 1959, the company's Competitive Data Group expressed concerned about the rumored Canadian Avro "Flying Saucer" (bold type is mine):

Because of its possible implications as the major competitor to the Lockheed Model CL-379, the Avro "Flying Saucer" (currently undergoing development and testing for the U.S. Army) has become a considerable interest within the company.

Although very little is known about the "Saucer", as yet, an attempt has been made herein to compile the available information on this novel aircraft. In addition, in response to requests, some background items of historical interest have been included in chronological order.

The information on the present "Saucer" begins with an I.D.C. summarizing information received from various sources. This is followed by two perspective drawings and two sectional views which have been developed from comments of personnel who have seen artists sketches of this aircraft and who have had bried discussions of the "Saucer" with both Avro and AF engineers. The perspective drawings portray current impressions of the 18 foot and 40 foot saucer models, while the sectional views depict (for the 18 foot model) two possible propulsion methods, either of which could conform to the sketchy information at hand.

It is understood that, if the design should prove successful, the Army would plan to use this type of machine for the majority of its aerial missions with size and interior arrangement variations to suit each mission.

(reproduced from the original Lockheed report)
 

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No, that tells it like it is - rotary wing (one disk) being the most efficient way to hover, tilt rotor next and Coanda effect 'things' after that. Other problems with them include their poor behaviour in wind / turbulence.

Yes, they are interesting but ultimately they are of no use [other than from an acedemic point of view]. There have been attempts to use Coanda effect saucers in the UAS world and they appeared to fly *OK*... when it was flat calm ;)
 

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Many thanks for posting that! A perfect example of why NOT to blow the air out of the periphery of the disk. They should've [IMO] looked at Henri's original patent... and then gone and built a helicopter ;)
 

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Many thanks Star and Jens! Very interesting. :)
 

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