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A6M Zero competition

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Hello Everyone ,

Looking for more information of the A6m ( Zero ) or 12Shi carrier based fighter competition
with Nakajima . (Source : Warbird History ZERO Robert C.Mikesh )
 

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Interesting topic!
For I did not know that the Mitsubishi ‘Zero’ was a competitive design competition.
Nor did I know that Nakajima submitted a design to this requirement!
I have never heard of the Nakajima 12Shi design

Look forward to responses


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only to write something ; Nakajima decided the specification was impossible to achieve and as far as I know they didn't join the competition .
 

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(Removed link to Osprey book - Osprey may be giving away some ebooks at present but we shouldn’t be linking to entire books on third party websites -Admin)
 
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Sorry, but linking to downloads of currently-available books is not ok. If there's something relevant to the discussion in the book, maybe post that?
 

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Terribly sorry about this.
 

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The closest rival to the A6M zero from Mitsubishi is the Nakajima ki-43 hayebusa
 

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Not to drag this off-topic but Balckkites diagram of the Ki-43 wing shows why it never could have wing mounted guns like the Zero. Those 3 wing spars and the box beam construction did not allow room for installing a wing gun of any size.
 

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Regarding the Hayabusa fighter, bulletproof equipment was superior to zero, at mid altitude it was excellent in movement performance and acceleration performance, and although the armament was poor, it was evaluated by the Allied Forces that it could never be underestimated.
Sorry for off topoic.;)
 

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Hayabusa fighters had been fighting such as Spitfire, P-38, P-47, and P-51A/B/C/D even after the latter half of 1944 on the front lines of Burma (Myanmar) and China, and had achieved equal or better results. Especially in the latter part of the war in Burma,Hayabusa fighters unilaterally shot down these new fighters in the first engagement.

These records are "historical facts" that are supported by comparing the battle results and loss records of the Japanese and Allied forces.

As an example, the following records are the actual results and actual damages that are backed up and recorded from the July 2nd, 1943 (July 18th, 1943) to the July 30th, 1944.

Hayabusa surely shot down 135 Allied aircraft in the battle.
1.Lost 83 Hayabusa in the battles.
2.The breakdown of shot down Allied military models were 70 fighters, 32 bombers, and 33 transport aircraft.
3. Allied fighters shot down 61 Hayabusa.

At the time of the entire Burmese aviation battle, Japanese fighters shot down 142 sircraft and Allied fighter shot down 127 aircraft.

The following are the actual battle results and actual damage of a Hayabusa fighter belonging to the 3rd Air Force of the Japanese Army. The period was from August 18, 1944 to August 13, 1945, and the region was Southeast Asia (Burma, French Indochina, Malay, Indonesia, Thailand, etc.).

Hayabusa fighter surely shot down 63 Allied planes (72 allied planes will be surely shot down including 9 Allied unreturned planes that may shot down)
1. 61 Hayabusa lost in battle.
2. The breakdown of Allied aircraft were 14 fighters (or 18 to 19), 32 bombers (or 36 to 37), and 17 transport aircraft.
3. 47 Hayabusa were shot down in battle by Allied fighters. The remaining 14 are due to the guns of the bomber.

Source : Japanese internet site.
 
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Hayabusa fighters had been fighting such as Spitfire, P-38, P-47, and P-51A/B/C/D even after the latter half of 1944 on the front lines of Burma (Myanmar) and China, and had achieved equal or better results. Especially in the latter part of the war in Burma,Hayabusa fighters unilaterally shot down these new fighters in the first engagement.

These records are "historical facts" that are supported by comparing the battle results and loss records of the Japanese and Allied forces.

As an example, the following records are the actual results and actual damages that are backed up and recorded from the July 2nd, 1943 (July 18th, 1943) to the July 30th, 1944.

Hayabusa surely shot down 135 Allied aircraft in the battle.
1.Lost 83 Hayabusa in the battles.
2.The breakdown of shot down Allied military models were 70 fighters, 32 bombers, and 33 transport aircraft.
3. Allied fighters shot down 61 Hayabusa.

At the time of the entire Burmese aviation battle, Japanese fighters shot down 142 sircraft and Allied fighter shot down 127 aircraft.

The following are the actual battle results and actual damage of a Hayabusa fighter belonging to the 3rd Air Force of the Japanese Army. The period was from August 18, 1944 to August 13, 1945, and the region was Southeast Asia (Burma, French Indochina, Malay, Indonesia, Thailand, etc.).

Hayabusa fighter surely shot down 63 Allied planes (72 allied planes will be surely shot down including 9 Allied unreturned planes that may shot down)
1. 61 Hayabusa lost in battle.
2. The breakdown of Allied aircraft were 14 fighters (or 18 to 19), 32 bombers (or 36 to 37), and 17 transport aircraft.
3. 47 Hayabusa were shot down in battle by Allied fighters. The remaining 14 are due to the guns of the bomber.

Source : Japanese internet site.
The Hayabusa was not so helplessentially against late allied planes at all.Good to hear that Blackkite San! It was much maneuverable than Hellcat and Corsair so if the pilot was trained well he has a good chance to win
 

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