US - Long Wall Exo-Atmospheric Interceptor

[Forest Green]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2000607887639392666

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LONG WALL ANNOUNCES CYCLOPS: THE MASS-PRODUCIBLE INTERCEPTOR​

LONG WALL ANNOUNCES CYCLOPS: THE MASS-PRODUCIBLE INTERCEPTOR | Long Wall

Cyclops will provide high-performance, low-cost magazine depth for homeland and regional missile defense.

www.lwall.com

Long Wall Unveils Surface-Launched Missile Following Company Revamp​

Long Wall Unveils Surface-Launched Missile Following Company Revamp | Aviation Week Network

Missile defense startup Long Wall has introduced a new surface-launched exoatmospheric interceptor.

aviationweek.com

 

[joshjosh]

Ah, this used to be ABL Space Systems. They didn't do so well as a commercial launch provider.

From Rockets to Missiles: ABL Space Systems Just Rebranded as Long Wall - Orbital Today

ABL Space has rebranded as Long Wall, shifting focus to the defence sector. This move marks a strategic pivot from commercial launches to national security projects.

orbitaltoday.com

 

[TomS]

Kinda rich them promising 100 BMD interceptors per year when they are literally 0 for 2 with launches of any sort, much less intercepts.

 

[Scott Kenny]

Ah, this used to be ABL Space Systems. They didn't do so well as a commercial launch provider.

From Rockets to Missiles: ABL Space Systems Just Rebranded as Long Wall - Orbital Today

ABL Space has rebranded as Long Wall, shifting focus to the defence sector. This move marks a strategic pivot from commercial launches to national security projects.

orbitaltoday.com

Trying to grab some of that Golden Dome money, I'm sure.

But there's nothing conceptually wrong with making a "competitor" to SM3, especially if you're not actually trying to make it comply with naval "no hypergolics" rules. It would let you stick the THAAD top end on there, for example. ("SM3 but with THAAD KV/TDACS" has long been an idea for me as a counter-hypersonic weapon)

 

[TomS]

But there's nothing conceptually wrong with making a "competitor" to SM3, especially if you're not actually trying to make it comply with naval "no hypergolics" rules. It would let you stick the THAAD top end on there, for example. ("SM3 but with THAAD KV/TDACS" has long been an idea for me as a counter-hypersonic weapon)

But this is clearly not doing that. They're proposing a brand new seeker with a purely exo-atmospheric kill vehicle.

It does look to be roughly comparable size wise to THAAD, moreso than SM-3.

 

[Scott Kenny]

But this is clearly not doing that. They're proposing a brand new seeker with a purely exo-atmospheric kill vehicle.

It does look to be roughly comparable size wise to THAAD, moreso than SM-3.

Still allows hypergolic TDACS instead of solids.

 

[TomS]

Still allows hypergolic TDACS instead of solids.

Yes, it does. But the DACS is only one of several serious engineering challenges they just blithely dismissed here. From a company that has not actually demonstrated the ability to launch anything bigger than an Estes rocket.

 

[missile_man]

Kinda rich them promising 100 BMD interceptors per year when they are literally 0 for 2 with launches of any sort, much less intercepts.

We already build 100 THAAD a year and that's increasing 4 fold

 

[Sferrin]

We already build 100 THAAD a year and that's increasing 4 fold

We need something like THAAD-ER.

 

[missile_man]

We need something like THAAD-ER.

I agree. That would be nice.

 

[missile_man]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2000607887639392666

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LONG WALL ANNOUNCES CYCLOPS: THE MASS-PRODUCIBLE INTERCEPTOR​

LONG WALL ANNOUNCES CYCLOPS: THE MASS-PRODUCIBLE INTERCEPTOR | Long Wall

Cyclops will provide high-performance, low-cost magazine depth for homeland and regional missile defense.

www.lwall.com

Long Wall Unveils Surface-Launched Missile Following Company Revamp​

Long Wall Unveils Surface-Launched Missile Following Company Revamp | Aviation Week Network

Missile defense startup Long Wall has introduced a new surface-launched exoatmospheric interceptor.

aviationweek.com

I finally read through the article and I'll start by saying I welcome additional Air & Missile Defense options for the US and Allies as a whole. Yes they're expensive and yes production is a slow process.

However, it's not as slow as suggested in the article. It references Raytheon's SM-3 low production yields to just 24 a year. But that's misleading. SM-3 production quantities varies by block. Around 71 total (all blocks) SM-3s were procured.

Rate increases are happening across the entire IAMDS spectrum.This includes SM-3, THAAD and PAC-3 MSEs. Quantities never before seen in the past 40 years,.but they're all exceeding well over 100 units a year.

Something else, they state the Cyclops will use COTS, or commercial off the shelf parts, but sensitive tech like seekers are not a COTS part, nor are many of its components.

 

[Sferrin]

I finally read through the article and I'll start by saying I welcome additional Air & Missile Defense options for the US and Allies as a whole. Yes they're expensive and yes production is a slow process.

However, it's not as slow as suggested in the article. It references Raytheon's SM-3 low production yields to just 24 a year. But that's misleading. SM-3 production quantities varies by block. Around 71 total (all blocks) SM-3s were procured.

Rate increases are happening across the entire IAMDS spectrum.This includes SM-3, THAAD and PAC-3 MSEs. Quantities never before seen in the past 40 years,.

Yep. JASSM is mind-boggling.

 

[missile_man]

Yep. JASSM is mind-boggling.

Yes sir. I don't know the mix, but the publically released information have a combined JASSM/LRASM rate is over 700 a year now increasing to 1100. By 2030, they want 2200.

Got to walk the line last year. It is a face paced production facility, unlike the THAAD line.