Baykar Tech Kızılelma News and Developments

@Combat-Master and I have agreed that this bad boi deserves a separate thread of its own.

Here's a starter:

From now on, please use only this thread for Kizilelma news; we're reserving the "Turkish UAV Developments & Fielding" thread for TB-2/3, Anka, Aksungur and Akinci since these drones are not analogous to turbofan powered Kizilelma or Anka-3 at all...
 
I'm curious about the self-defence suite, they've equipped Kizilelma with Aselsan's IRIS-200 IR based missile warning system. But, are they planning on something more comprehensive, EW suite, chaff/flare,decoy dispenser or perhaps DIRCM ?
Even the TB-2 has enhanced EW-pods, so I think Kizilelma having an integrated EW-suite is a given as the bare minimum. But I’m also curious about the DIRCM.

Kizilelma is basically shaping up to be a test-bed for downgraded versions of Kaan's sensors anyway, and Aselsan is preparing to commence serial production of these in 2026 ahead of Kizilelma's LRIP delivery.

And we know that Aselsan is developing a dedicated DIRCM for Kaan with LO-windows, so it’s highly probable that Kizilelma will eventually get a downgraded version of it.
 
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The other missile has a seeker. They’re clearly testing the two-way datalink and the data exchange between the radar, the EOTS and the missile, as they officially announced:

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GÖKDOĞAN Munition Linked Flight Test & EOTS–Murad AESA Radar Performance Test
View: https://x.com/BaykarTech/status/1990813215245189479?t=Tl4Og133HsKET2qndWIQFQ&s=19

View: https://x.com/BaykarTech/status/1991015267757928514?t=9FDp4lDfuwVeWHIOIZfhQw&s=19


Since Baykar moves rapidly fast, I believe the missile launch could happen at any moment now.
 
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And we know that Aselsan is developing a dedicated DIRCM for Kaan with LO-windows, so it’s highly probable that Kizilelma will eventually get a downgraded version of it.
I guess the irony is all that is flying on exact same engine as fp-5 Flamingo.
 
I guess the irony is all that is flying on exact same engine as fp-5 Flamingo.
I get the point, but doesn't the Flamingo use the AI-25 engine? In comparison, this iteration of the Kizilelma (the -B variant) uses the afterburning AI-322-30F.

And that initial version of the Kizilelma was even more underpowered than this one, which is saying something considering it's still wayy underpowered for its size and capabilities.

What a drone of this size and capability truly deserves is an F404-class engine, according to Baykar themselves.

Hence why they are investing in the necessary groundwork to develop a 20,000 lbf-class engine in-house...
 
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I get the point, but doesn't the Flamingo use the AI-25 engine? In comparison, this iteration of the Kizilelma (the -B variant) uses the afterburning AI-322-30F.
Crap, i really should track better. I somehow assumed based on Chinese problems that AI-322 is now a hard to get engine.
At least a bit better than i thought, good to hear.
What a drone of this size and capability truly deserves is an F404-class engine, according to Baykar themselves.
Yeah, at the very least! I.e. like x2 the thrust.
 
Kizilelma has unique specs for its size. No engine really fits it in its current size and weight. It needs an engine in the thrust class between the AI-322F and F404/RD-33 and the only one that comes to my mind is the YJ101 (15000lbf) which would give it a T/WR of 0.8 at MTOW.

Anything more powerful than that is a waste fuel, space and weight.

Or they need to make the thing bigger and increase its EOW to 6.5 tons. Only then will a medium thrust engine be fitting.
 
Crap, i really should track better. I somehow assumed based on Chinese problems that AI-322 is now a hard to get engine.
At least a bit better than i thought, good to hear.
They have a stock of unknown amount of engines delivered before the war. Supposedly, it's large enough for 5+ prototypes and LRIP.

However, for anything beyond that, they'll have to wait for TEI's TF10000 to mature, with the earliest availability for testing in Q42026(?)/2027 for testing and production in Q4(?)2028.
 
Kizilelma has unique specs for its size. No engine really fits it in its current size and weight. It needs an engine in the thrust class between the AI-322F and F404/RD-33 and the only one that comes to my mind is the YJ101 (15000lbf) which would give it a T/WR of 0.8 at MTOW.

Anything more powerful than that is a waste fuel, space and weight.

Or they need to make the thing bigger and increase its EOW to 6.5 tons. Only then will a medium thrust engine be fitting.
It's literally the size of an F-16 (14.7m length and 10m wingspan). It needs more thrust than what you suggest. What it needs is exactly an 89 kN-class engine.

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To be fair, F-16 was born for peak dogfighting, and evolved into hauling ~second F-16 outside.
For Kizilelma it's not that bad.
Similar-sized Chinese UADFs use WS-10C variants, who says Baykar should settle for anything less than an F404-equivalent?

They could very well make do with a single TEI-TF10000, but their goal is to develop it further into a supersonic aircraft (prolly low-supercruise as well), which simply isn't just achievable in this thrust class.

That’s the entire purpose of the -C model, aside from obviously heavier payload.
 
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Formation flight and BVR tests, with a simulated hit against an F-16...

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View: https://x.com/BaykarTech/status/1991411265928065189?t=4Y2b_ysyAHiUBmRJ2Q_T_w&s=19

In the test in which two F-16 fighter jets belonging to the Turkish Air Force participated, KIZILELMA locked on to the target F-16 with the national AESA Radar MURAD and achieved a full hit in the simulated firing test conducted with the national air-to-air missile GÖKDOĞAN.
View: https://x.com/SavunmaSanayiST/status/1991397609647256029?s=20
 
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HISTORIC TRIAL FOR BAYRAKTAR KIZILELMA: LOCKED ONTO AN F-16, SCORED A DIRECT HIT IN SIMULATED FIRE!​

Türkiye’s first unmanned fighter aircraft, Bayraktar KIZILELMA, has carried out yet another historic test in the sky. In the test conducted with the participation of two F-16 fighter jets of the Turkish Air Force, KIZILELMA locked onto the target F-16 using the national AESA Radar MURAD, and achieved a direct hit in its simulated fire test with the national air-to-air missile GÖKDOĞAN.​

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Bayraktar KIZILELMA—developed nationally and indigenously by Baykar entirely with its own resources—has successfully cleared yet another critical hurdle that will prove its effectiveness on the battlefield. Taking off from the AKINCI Flight Training and Test Center in Çorlu, Tekirdağ, the national unmanned fighter aircraft carried out formation flying with the F-16s and validated the integration of the national radar and munitions during its 1-hour-45-minute flight at an average altitude of 15,000 feet. With this flight, Bayraktar KIZILELMA’s total test flight time has surpassed 55 hours.

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LOCK AT 30 MILES, DIRECT HIT IN VIRTUAL STRIKE!

Two F-16 fighter jets belonging to the Turkish Air Force participated in the “Bayraktar KIZILELMA – GÖKDOĞAN Armed Flight and MURAD AESA Radar Performance Test.” One of the F-16s performed close formation flying with Bayraktar KIZILELMA, demonstrating the platform’s compatibility with manned fighter aircraft, while the other F-16 acted as the “target aircraft” within the test scenario. During the test, Bayraktar KIZILELMA detected the target F-16 at a distance of 30 miles using the MURAD AESA Radar developed by ASELSAN and locked onto the target. It then executed a simulated electronic firing using the GÖKDOĞAN Beyond-Visual-Range Air-to-Air Missile produced by TÜBİTAK SAGE and carried under its wing. In the simulation, Bayraktar KIZILELMA successfully neutralized the highly maneuverable F-16 target with a virtual direct hit, marking a major step forward for air-to-air combat capability.

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DATA LINK VERIFIED

One of the most critical phases of the test involved evaluating the communication infrastructure between the aircraft, radar, and missile. After locking onto the target F-16, Bayraktar KIZILELMA transmitted real-time target, position, and velocity data obtained from the MURAD AESA Radar seamlessly to the GÖKDOĞAN missile carried under its wing. The successful validation of this data link between Bayraktar KIZILELMA and the munition represents a significant milestone in the unmanned fighter aircraft’s capability to neutralize beyond-visual-range (BVR) targets.

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THREE MAJOR TESTS IN A SINGLE FLIGHT

During this historic flight over the skies of Tekirdağ, three distinct and challenging test scenarios were executed simultaneously with success. The F-16 formation flight—which demonstrated the capability for joint operations with manned fighter aircraft—offered insights into future air-combat concepts. The aerodynamic and avionic compatibility of the platform was verified through the GÖKDOĞAN Beyond-Visual-Range Air-to-Air Missile carried under the wing. In the same flight, the detection, tracking, lock-on, and data-transfer capabilities of the national MURAD AESA Radar—which was activated for the test—were also proven under demanding conditions.

https://www.defenceturkey.com/en/co...16-scored-a-direct-hit-in-simulated-fire-6389
 

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Baykar’s fully indigenous, self-funded unmanned combat aircraft Bayraktar KIZILELMA has successfully completed another critical test flight, pushing total flight test hours past 55 hours.

During a 1-hour 45-minute flight from AKINCI Flight Training and Test Center in Çorlu, Tekirdağ, operating at an average altitude of ~15,000 ft, KIZILELMA performed three major tests simultaneously with two Turkish Air Force F-16s:

  1. Formation (close wingman) flight with an F-16→ Demonstrated seamless manned-unmanned teaming and future Loyal Wingman concept integration.
  2. MURAD AESA Radar performance validation→ Using the ASELSAN MURAD nose-mounted AESA radar, KIZILELMA detected, tracked and locked onto a target F-16 at 30 nautical miles.→ Real-time target data was continuously shared with the weapon.
  3. GÖKDOĞAN Beyond-Visual-Range AAM integration & simulated firing→ With a live (captive) TÜBİTAK SAGE GÖKDOĞAN air-to-air missile carried under the wing, KIZILELMA performed an electronic simulated launch.→ The data link between the aircraft, MURAD radar and GÖKDOĞAN missile was fully verified.→ Result: Perfect simulated kill against a highly maneuverable F-16 target in a BVR engagement scenario.

This single flight validated:
  • Aerodynamic & avionics compatibility with under-wing AAM carriage
  • MURAD AESA radar detection, tracking, lock-on and fire-control performance
  • Weapon data-link functionality for true fire-and-forget BVR capability
  • Interoperability with manned F-16 fighters

 
MQ-28A is set to test fire an AIM-120 in December, I reckon at the pace Kizilelma is going at we may see it being ahead with a BVR launch this month
 
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Kızıelma UCAV engaged a BVR target with a completely national kill chain.
National IFF, national radar, national radar-missile datalink, national missile, and national RF seeker.
View: https://x.com/AhmetAkyol/status/1995044900715299241?s=20

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This is a good infographic, except that the radar is actually designated as -200A, with the only noteworthy difference compared to the F-16 Özgür's radar being the improved LPI performance.

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RCS of 0.3m2? You can add a zero or two to that figure. After the point that is.

Should be on par with the F-35.

But only if they install proper landinggear doors.
 
RCS of 0.3m2? You can add a zero or two to that figure. After the point that is.

Should be on par with the F-35.

But only if they install proper landinggear doors.
You don’t know that, none of us really can.

Yeah, it’s got most of the essentials already: serrated nozzle and panels, faceted targeting pod housing, conformal EW and COMMS antennas, MAWS, and an IWB... But there’s still plenty of improvements to be made, and a long road ahead to really get there.

On top of that, Aselsan’s been working on a specific coating for the Kizilelma, and the word is that it’s ready, but it hasn’t been applied yet. Even when everything comes together, there’ll still be years of rigorous testing ahead before it’s a finished product. Even in its ultimate form, it may never reach to the same level of LOity of the first-tier jets.
 

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