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In today's update on Poland buying everything under the sun....

22 x AW101 in troop carrying configuration...

2 x A330 MRTT....this appears to be seperate from the Multinational Fleet...

2 Additional Squadrons of multi-role combat aircraft (could be F-35, F-16 or ...see Typhoons presentation slides later...).

2 x Saab 340 Erieye AEW...presumably these are on loan from Sweden to prepare Poland for GlobalEye...

And of course the Saab GlobalEye order, which will be at least 2 aircraft...

Presentation from Polish Air Force General....full thread with slides....photos aren't great but timelines and detail can be seen...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1661627635972096000
View: https://twitter.com/Defence24pl/status/1661627635972096000

The joint UK/Poland Future Common Missile was also on a slide but has been removed from the collection..
 
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timmymagic said:
In today's update on Poland buying everything under the sun....

22 x AW101 in troop carrying configuration...

2 x A330 MRTT....this appears to be seperate from the Multinational Fleet...

2 Additional Squadrons of multi-role combat aircraft (could be F-35, F-16 or ...see Typhoons presentation slides later...).

2 x Saab 340 Erieye AEW...presumably these are on loan from Sweden to prepare Poland for GlobalEye...

And of course the Saab GlobalEye order, which will be at least 2 aircraft...

Presentation from Polish Air Force General....full thread with slides....photos aren't great but timelines and detail can be seen...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1661627635972096000
View: https://twitter.com/Defence24pl/status/1661627635972096000

The joint UK/Poland Future Common Missile was also on a slide but has been removed from the collection..
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Just to note, there seems to be some confusion on the Saab Erieye....the Swedish won't be getting their GlobalEye until 2027 so people are doubtful its from there...or if its even a loan...(can't imagine Poland would buy the 340 Erieye instead of GlobalEye as the advantages from the Bizjet platform in terms of range and altitude are huge).

EDIT - Tony Osborne points out that the UAE may have 2 going spare now they're receiving GlobalEye...
 
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In regards to the GlobalEye, how does it compare to the E-7?
these seem to be the only two western AWACS in production, alongside the E-2.

could not find any specific data other than the basic things such as the GlobalEye being smaller, likely more cheaper to operate, and potentially less range. Also has 5 less crew?
 
helmutkohl said:
In regards to the GlobalEye, how does it compare to the E-7?
these seem to be the only two western AWACS in production, alongside the E-2.
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You could add in the Israeli Gulfstream G550 based Eitam as well. In service with Israel, Italy, Singapore, Morocco and the US Navy (for range control work).
 
helmutkohl said:
In regards to the GlobalEye, how does it compare to the E-7?
these seem to be the only two western AWACS in production, alongside the E-2.

could not find any specific data other than the basic things such as the GlobalEye being smaller, likely more cheaper to operate, and potentially less range. Also has 5 less crew?
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There's also the G550 based Israeli CAEW, as timmymagic says, though that now relies on used G550s. Italy has bought several G550 for conversion to ISR aircraft, & IIRC two are being converted to additional CAEW.

It's not in production, but there's a new Israeli AEW aircraft being marketed, the P600 AEW, with a new radar on the Embraer Praetor 600. It's being offered to Brazil as a replacement for its Erieyes. Of course, SAAB has a rival proposal.

The Praetor 600 is much smaller than the G550 or Bombardier 6000/6500, & the radar looks smaller. Presumably has less power, given the smaller, lower-powered platform.

P600 AEW
 
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Considering G550 conversions makes sense in light of this type already being in VIP service. That said, GlobalEye ties into the existing relationship with Saab and the airframe still originates with a NATO member.

Anything Praetor 600-based seems less likely. In that case, Poland is going outside of NATO for both electronics and airframe. Not unheard of ... but I do wonder if Warsaw wants to reward a BRICS member right now.
 
and now as I put in the F-15 projects, they are interested in purchasing 32 x F-15EX

cheers
 
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I'm curious as to how Poland is going keeping up with the 'manning' side of the equation. They have a lot of major military spending and equipment purchases underway. How are they going with the human side?
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It looks like the new equipment is replacing older stuff (which they donate to Ukraine), so it does not necessarily require much additional staffing.
 
GTX said:
I'm curious as to how Poland is going keeping up with the 'manning' side of the equation. They have a lot of major military spending and equipment purchases underway. How are they going with the human side?
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According to recent statements by Chief of the General Staff gen. Wiesław Kukuła, the SZ RP has been meeting or exceeding its recruiting targets since 2022. The manpower issue now is inducting and training (as you suggested) all that additional manpower and dealing with the backlog of applicants.

Generał Kukuła also noted unanticipated expense levels with regard to maintenance of some recently-acquired kit - the FA-50 and Abrams being cited as specific examples.
 
kqcke for you said:
Tho from what i heard A26 is preferred (for its problems)
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Poland has selected the A26, good news for Europe.

www.svt.se

Polen köper svenska ubåtar

Polen kommer att köpa tre stycken A26-ubåtar från svenska Saab i ett avtal värt mångmiljardbelopp, meddelade Polens regering i ett uttalande på onsdagen. Ubåtarna kommer i huvudsak att byggas på svensk mark. – Det är en verklig milstolpe, säger Saabs vd Micael Johansson till SVT.
www.svt.se www.svt.se

Poland buys Swedish submarines
UPDATED TODAY 16:01 – PUBLISHED TODAY 15:21

Poland will purchase three submarines from Swedish Saab, announced Poland’s Deputy Prime Minister Wladyslaw Kosiniak-Kamysz in a statement on Wednesday, according to Reuters.
Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson (M) confirms the agreement in a post on X.

“This is a strength not only for the cooperation between our countries but for all of Sweden as a defense industry nation. It is proof that the Swedish defense industry stands strong. Saab has a world-leading submarine program,” Kristersson writes in the post.
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According to information received by SVT, the agreement is worth several billions, and the statement from Poland should be seen as a declaration of intent, showing that the country has now decided on the Swedish submarines. Further negotiations will now take place before the contract is signed.

“This is a major boost for Sweden’s submarine capability, which has long lacked a partner to share the costs of submarine development in Sweden. The fact that Poland has chosen to buy as many as three submarines shows that, with this multi-billion deal, Poland aims to become a long-term partner,” says SVT security reporter John Granlund.
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The submarines in question are the same ones currently being built at Kockums in Karlskrona and which will be delivered to the Swedish Navy. This makes future cooperation possible in areas such as personnel and spare parts.

“Poland has chosen Swedish submarines for the Polish Navy. This will strengthen our joint defense, our security, and our defense industrial base,” writes Minister of Defense Pål Jonson (M) on X.
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Titus K said:
Poland has selected the A26, good news for Europe.

www.svt.se

Polen köper svenska ubåtar

Polen kommer att köpa tre stycken A26-ubåtar från svenska Saab i ett avtal värt mångmiljardbelopp, meddelade Polens regering i ett uttalande på onsdagen. Ubåtarna kommer i huvudsak att byggas på svensk mark. – Det är en verklig milstolpe, säger Saabs vd Micael Johansson till SVT.
www.svt.se www.svt.se
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Good news for Europe maybe but for the polisch navy?
Even if they would get the swedish subs the first won't come before 2031 and the second before 2033 and we don't even talk about its price increase from 1.472.623.000$ to 2.629.684.200$ for the cost jump (25 billion sek budget limit)
 
kqcke for you said:
Good news for Europe maybe but for the polisch navy?
Even if they would get the swedish subs the first won't come before 2031 and the second before 2033 and we don't even talk about its price increase from 1.472.623.000$ to 2.629.684.200$ for the cost jump (25 billion sek budget limit)
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Some reports suggest that one of the existing Swedish subs will be loaned from 2027 onwards as part of the deal.
 

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