FWD: Giant, Un-Used NASA Rocket Found...?

here the sad history of the place


http://www.astronautix.com/engines/aj2602.htm


by the way, the big booster in silo ist SL-3 of AJ-260 program
 
Nicely done. The editors got a little confused between "Nova" and "Mercury-Atlas" from time to time, but the narration was good and the clips of the facility construction and tests were worth the wait.
 
Cool ! Rocket archeology ! That kind of reminds me of the discovery of the U-Boat bunker that had a couple of relatively intact type XX submarines in it a few decades ago. Although it seems he was not there first, as can be seen by the graffitis on the site. I wonder how he found out about this. Too bad he uses some cheap HDR on several of his shots, a technique i am not too fond of. Otherwise it is impressive, it must be real quiet up there, apart from the birds (and the few gators...).

A pity the silo`s been sealed though, and they demolished the shed. I guess this being located near a canal leading to the Atlantic Ocean they thought 'someone' might get creative and bring giant cranes and giant trucks along with a barge and a large cargo ship and run away with the whole thing under the cover of darkness... (ya, like there are a lot of people who would like to play with something like that which is over 50 years old... solids are not known to age very well after such a long period of time. Just wonder if the whole thing was still loaded. It would be very surprising they would have left something like that loaded before vacating the place... Will check the videos).
 
What's sort of confusing is the "secret" aspect of this . . in that it was never a secret. There's a lot of stuff on NTRS about it (used to be much more). If you watch the documentary, you'll see that the locals were not only informed about what was going on, but were gung-ho and hoped to see thousands of jobs materialize out of the effort. Once the AJ-260 program was shut down and Aerojet left, the whole site really lost its purpose.

It's more precise to say the project has been forgotten, rather than it having been under wraps. The buildings that were demolished were in a deteriorating state, especially after Hurricane Andrew. C-111, the Aerojet Canal, like most man-made efforts in the Everglades, really screwed up the water flow and, I think, the water management district is proposing to fill it in. Except for space geeks and the occasional urban explorer, it's just some old land and buildings. For those with a sense of history[font=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif], [/font][font=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]it's a sad and lonely reminder of what might have been.[/font]
 
Who called it "secret"?

But ultimately, it's not that unusual for somebody to suddenly "discover" something that lots of people were already aware of. I remember how a few years ago somebody "discovered" a couple of MOL training spacesuits at the Air Force space museum in Florida. Apparently these had never really been lost, somebody had simply put them away in a closet or something and years later somebody was doing inventory and rediscovered them. And then it was suddenly big news.
 
I frequently re-discover stuff i had thought long lost or out of stock which i had moved to some other place and 'forgotten' (and that`s just me in my apartment !). Sometimes find stashes of brand new unused cast parts.

Still, i find it kind of weird that they would go to the length (and expense) of installing that whole series of humongous concrete bridge beams on top of the silo just to avoid the small possible risk of one urban explorer or graffiter falling into the hole... In any case, saw the videos, looks like it was just one empty giant size solid rocket canister. Nothing very glamorous. Thought the installations and 'forgotten' buildings and bunkers look interesting, if only from he point of view of seeing a large size abandoned rocket test site.

Ya, i see that the story was quite the news in Dade county back when Aerojet came. I think that most people who were not locals probably didn't even know about that installation, no wonder i had not heard about it (unless i had spent time digging into the fine details of the Apollo program).

About the what could have been, i am glad they did not succeed at putting this one in service, given the amount of pollution this booster generated (and that was still far from being the complete stack...): paint peeling off cars located many miles away, damage to the agricultural production due to the acid residue left from the giant cloud of toxic smoke... (not to mention damage to the local wildlife, soil and water no doubt). Nasty stuff. And they found at least one large piece of the test stand that flew and fell miles away. I just wonder how the SRB booster pollution compared next to this one in terms of combustion by-products and fall-outs, i never spent time looking at it, all i know is that they are burning aluminum powder, but obviously a resin binder as well.
 
I wonder how long it will be before urban explorers "find" NASA Centers buried under more scrub than Mayan pyramids (thanks to DC):

"Hey John-john! They called this a lunar lander!"
"Nah, that was just a Cold War myth."
 
Old post, but:

Who called it "secret"?

But ultimately, it's not that unusual for somebody to suddenly "discover" something that lots of people were already aware of. I remember how a few years ago somebody "discovered" a couple of MOL training spacesuits at the Air Force space museum in Florida. Apparently these had never really been lost, somebody had simply put them away in a closet or something and years later somebody was doing inventory and rediscovered them. And then it was suddenly big news.
What was big news was that those are the only known examples of the USAF suits. And there are frustratingly few photos of them...
 
I did spot one mistake with that video, at the end he uses a Saturn V staging sequence for what is a Saturn 1B (SLV) launch. There is also something else he probably didn't know about, as I'm not sure the document 'Summary of 260inch Solid Rocket Launch Studies, June 1965 - May 1968' is still available on the NTRS. What that shows is that NASA was looking at something rather different than the Skylab/ASTP 'milkstool' for the launch site.
 

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found another vid on the aerojet dade plant and the 260 inch booster
View: http://youtu.be/o4BkDQjM2Jc

What was the video about it? It's no longer available.

paint peeling off cars located many miles away, damage to the agricultural production due to the acid residue left from the giant cloud of toxic smoke...

Amongst the combustion products was Hydrogen Chloride (No doubt a result of using Ammonium Perchlorate as an oxidiser) and given that Florida is a very humid place the HCL reacted with the moisture in the air to form a fine hydrochloric acid drizzle.

And they found at least one large piece of the test stand that flew and fell miles away.

That would be the small rocket-motor used to ignite the AJ-260.
 
Another thing with that video that is slightly off from what NASA had planned is the appearance of the launch vehicle. From the document 'A Concept For Handling and Launching Large Solid Rockets' dated the 30th of September, 1966 is this drawing of what the proposed launch vehicle referred to as the 'Saturn 1b-5b' in the report would have looked like, no tail fins, but rather thrust vector control.
 

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Another thing with that video that is slightly off from what NASA had planned is the appearance of the launch vehicle. From the document 'A Concept For Handling and Launching Large Solid Rockets' dated the 30th of September, 1966 is this drawing of what the proposed launch vehicle referred to as the 'Saturn 1b-5b' in the report would have looked like, no tail fins, but rather thrust vector control.
That could have made a good basis for a heavy ICBM.
 
no tail fins, but rather thrust vector control.

The tail fins of the Saturn IB and Saturn V weren't used for steering as they were fixed, as far as I know their reason for being was to keep the launch-vehicle stable during a Mode-1 launch abort.
 
The tail fins of the Saturn IB and Saturn V weren't used for steering as they were fixed, as far as I know their reason for being was to keep the launch-vehicle stable during a Mode-1 launch abort.
Thanks for the extra information.
 
That could have made a good basis for a heavy ICBM.
I think that is what Thiokol proposed for their large SRM, but it failed the pressure testing. But I have seen versions of the SRM first stage where they were clustering together the SRMs created for the Titan launchers to form a first stage.
 
That could have made a good basis for a heavy ICBM.
I think that is what Thiokol proposed for their large SRM, but it failed the pressure testing.

Successful implementation of this proposal and given how such a massive ICBM could've lofted multiple large, heavy MIRVs with high-yield multi-megaton TN warheads would've had Brezhnev and company collectively shitting bricks at such a missile force.
 
Successful implementation of this proposal and given how such a massive ICBM could've lofted multiple large, heavy MIRVs with high-yield multi-megaton TN warheads would've had Brezhnev and company collectively shitting bricks at such a missile force.

You mean "Peacekeeper"? :)

Randy
 
No, I mean a giant ICBM similar in size to the Saturn IB carrying a large number of MIRVs with each MIRV carry a W41 or W53.

Ya not really all that useful since we could launch those on a Titan, (and the W53 was) but in general those size warheads are very inefficient which is why we got rid of them. Turned out even using MIRV's on the Peacekeeper was overkill.

Randy
 
A major PITA with post Minuteman ICBMs was basing. See all the wild crazy schemes of WS-120A and Golden Arrow. Such as digging superhardened silos inside a granite BASALT mountain. Bad luck, the eye-watering expensive system could be nixed by landslides triggered by Soviet missiles: blocking the exits, trapping the ICBMs underground. They just had to nuke the shit out of the mountain rather than targeting the silos, superhardened granite or not.
 
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